Good God KK, put on your big boy pants. Do you really think the boys in JP will give Faulkner the boot? Maybe you have visions of a three guitar band (AKA Iron Maiden)? Not gonna happen. You sound like a little girl complaining that she can't participate in a tea party. Someone take your Barbie? 0 allen_pagent 10 · Oct 18, 2021 04:36 PM · report · ↑reply
Mike Koch John Reno exactly. Plus I thought the songs were written by a third grader. I actually felt bad for Ripper having to sing that drivel.
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Reno You DO KNOW that he WROTE that shit, don't you?? That is his phucking work!! What have you written??
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Anonymous2024-09-01 14:00
Cristi Barbu Thing is like this...they try to sound very very heavy...which is ok...to have something to be relevant...yes Tim.sounds good he always has he is brilliant but his age still allowrs him to do so...as for Ken...im sorry but just cant let go of his frustrations...the name of the songs...the themes...somehow wanting to remind everyone how big he is for Priest legacy...and he is...its just kinda childish...sorry but Priest doesnt have to exagerate with being over the head heavy to sound awesome...last album sounds classic yet fresh...the good ol Priest sound brought in 2024...what makes them be the legend they are...simple as that
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Ritchie Colón Cristi Barbu, well said.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 14:01
Johan Lotigiers Nope it's not. It's not because they are heavy that they are better. They are frequently out of key. So is Ripper lots of the time, even though he can hit high notes. (I'm a singer in a rockband, I hear that kind of shit) They are at best a mediocre Priest tributeband. Sorry
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Nick Cerantonio Johan Lotigiers Can you timestamp for us every time the band frequently plays out of key in this clip?
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Johan Lotigiers Nick, not exactly time for that, but the twin guitarintro is already ruïned. Someone is playing a really false note in there. Also, I don't like that constant high pitch voice of Tim. He may have better technique than Rob nowadays, but he sings with zero feeling. It's like comparing Freddie Mercury with Adam Lambert. Great technique, but I don't feel anything when Adam sings, except: 'if I wanna hear a musical voice I go to see a musical, not a rock gig' .
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Nick Cerantonio Johan Lotigiers Sure but one false note in the intro doest really equate to the band playing "frequently out of key". I'm not gearing that so other examples are what I'm curious about. That being said lots of KK's noisy solos are atonal so that's intentional and a big part of 70s Priest and you hear that atonal shred influence Slayer and countless other extreme metal bands. It all starts with KK and is a important part of metal history.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 14:02
Stephen John Sorry the Priest version is better, this is a bit slower to me. And doesn't have the same energy. Tempo is everything on mid paced songs imo
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George Roland WillsJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans · I keep getting asked this same question over and over again; "Why can't you just let Priest make music, and be glad that they are still here?" I would like to answer that question. I came from a time when the music industry was basically raping the fans; they would let a performer record one great single, and then bury it on a fully completed album of trash. They were not about to release the good song on a 45, not even in mono. Because even if any of those was actually released on a 45, it was not the version that I wanted... They always saw to that. So, instead of making the performer come up with three or four extra decent songs per platter, we were basically paying full sticker for one song. They got away with this for years. So I went ahead and bought the full albums for Lunatic Fringe, Slow Ride, Bridge of Sighs, Riding the Storm Out, Corrosion of Conformity's Seven Days, Leatherwolf's The Calling, Faithful Breath's Don't Feel Hate, and an endless list of others. I would then make expensive cassette tapes of these singles on Maxell UD XL-II C90 tapes, in Dolby S and it would sound better than the original album. For years, and years. But there was one band I could always count on... From Sad Wings of Destiny, clear through to Nostradamus... the band called Judas Priest has followed a definite pattern. I'll give you a perfect example. Screaming for Vengeance. This album is a sonically-perfect album, and as songs go, there is not a dog on it, anywhere. I could literally buy the cassette tape of this; all of the songs were exactly where I wanted them. The pattern for a Judas Priest album was on this wise: 1. There was at least one A-list song on every album, and sometimes two or three A List songs per album... ; Victim of Changes, Sinner, Beyond the Realms of Death, Delivering the Goods, Hell Bent for Leather, The Rage/Steeler, ` Heading out to the Highway, Screaming for Vengeance, Another Thing Coming, Riding on the Wind, Heavy Duty/ Defenders of the Faith, Monsters of Rock, Blood Red Skies, Touch of Evil, Judas is Rising, Nostradamus, Prophecy... A List songs; at least one for every album. 2. There were always a trio of extremely wonderful "B Side" Songs; usually three which were on every album. On the aforementioned Screaming for Vengeance, ... we have: Pain and Pleasure, Fever, and Take These Chains ... as our trio. Other notable trios include Tyrant, Genocide, and Island of Domination... Saints in Hell, Savage, and Invader. Metal Gods, Grinder, and Rapid Fire... The Green Manalishi, Killing Machine, and Running Wild Solar Angels, Desert Plains, and Hot Rockin Jawbreaker, Rock Hard Ride Free, and Some Heads are Gonna Roll Revolution, Worth Fighting For, and Hellrider Alone, Visions, and Exiled 3. Of the songs that remain from any of these albums, such as Devil's Child, Bloodstone, or those radio worn hits like Breaking the law and Living after midnight... Everything was always listenable, and worth the ride. 4. Ballads like Last Rose of Summer, Before the Dawn, and Epitaph were always well received. Even the album Rocka Rolla has a sort of perverse charm to it. Judas Priest was always worth the money you put into an album. That is, until Redeemer of Souls. Fire Power and Invincible Shield were slightly better, but not an A-list song or anything since KK left the band. All we are listening to now is more of Rob's solo work, once again. Oh, and of the three solo bands that Rob created, there were seven actually listenable songs... Among them are Silent Scream, Just a Little Crazy, Golgotha, I Am Alive, Till the Day I Die, Trail of Tears and Slow Down. None of them are A List. So if you want to know why I am complaining, this is pretty much the reason. If they could do what they used to do, I would say KK Who?? But they do not. Rob Halford has a page. Assuming it is actually him, I wrote a very long diatribe on his wall. I said that "you don't have to play with KK, but you, Glenn and KK need to go back to that island in Spain, and write four albums worth of music... that either band can use... " That way we can have two bands worthy of the name Priest. Rob Halford put a heart next to that post.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:15
George Roland WillsAuthor K-Man Khalil Donaghey In 1861, our country was divided in half when the Anglo-Saxon North and the Celtic and Country English South went to war over everything from trade tariff taxes to the Yankee slave practice, which the north was now wanting to also stop in the South, because they had somehow grown a soul (they hadn't; it was all for control by votes). But the greatest thing we were fighting over was the fact that Celts and the Country English (The Black Heavy Metal Country) were individuals; individualists. The Yankee Anglo-Saxon North was basically London; New England and Old England; totalitarian collectivists, or socialists. What that means is "those Northern people" want everyone to agree upon a single opinion, while we in the South have individual views. Everything I post is my own personal opinion, which tends to piss off many at the North. They apparently don't think I'm entitled to do this; to have a personal opinion. You see how much I care about what they think.
Paul Hadley Miller KK was dead weight after Painkiller. Brutal truth.
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K-Man Khalil Donaghey Paul Hadley Miller KK wrote some of the coolest shit on Nostradamus and people cant be bothered to listen to it, that's the brutal truth.
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Paul Hadley Miller K-Man Khalil Donaghey I personally like Nostradamus. But it definitely was not accessible music for the broader fandom. Another album or two like that and they may have stopped existing long before now. A band of Judas Priests stature needs to stay relevant and expand their audience. I heard “Crown of Horns” on the local radio station a couple times last week. KK doesn’t bring that. Hasn’t since Painkiller.
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K-Man Khalil Donaghey Paul Hadley Miller it's called crown of horns!! Not thorns.
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Paul Hadley Miller K-Man Khalil Donaghey right, fixed it.
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K-Man Khalil Donaghey Paul Hadley Miller man people keep saying this about priest being accessible, who the fuck wants that? that's my biggest gripe with the album honestly is that it doesn't even dare to challenge its audience and that is something EVERY priest album has done usually.
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Paul Hadley Miller K-Man Khalil Donaghey I do disagree. Part of Priests appeal to me has always been their ability and willingness to walk the line between earth-scorching metal and radio rock. Painkiller and before, they always had songs on albums that were meant to reach the non-core crowd. They left that behind for a few albums, and seem to have rectified that with Firepower and Invincible Shield.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:25
George Roland WillsAuthor K-Man Khalil Donaghey Nostradamus is a MASTERPIECE!
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Jason Berube George Roland Wills Agreed.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Paul Hadley Miller I don't like any of the BIG 4 off IS... Crown of Horny Thorns included... Panic Attack is pretty much that... a panic attack. The Serpent and the King affects me like the "Once daily Jardiance... at each day's start" diabetes medication song. (It ain't over till the fat lady sings about her A1C!), I'd rather hear HO HO HO Ozempic!) And Invincible Shield needs more salt, or something.
George Roland WillsAuthor Paul Hadley Miller REALLY?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4d5sMg8eCE I began to speculate that KK Downing had done something with his amps to accentuate Glenn's playing; to harmonize with it. A man named John Clark wrote and said that he had purchased KK's old amps, and that I was on the right track. KK had indeed tuned his amps down to accentuate Glenn as the LEAD, and to create a MONSTER sound from two guitars. KK had PURPOSELY taken the part of the second string, second chair, second fiddle position to GLENN for the sake of the band, letting Glenn do all of the glory work. Because JUDAS PRIEST was KK's baby, originally. His project. Recycled band name, and all.
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Paul Hadley Miller George Roland Wills or was it because Glenn did the hard work to evolve from a rock n roll guitarist in the 70s, while KK was more comfortable with hammer-ons and the whammy bar? As a guitarist myself, it became painfully obvious as the band moved through the 80s that Glenn was evolving to keep up with the world class shredders, and KK either didn’t want to put in the work, or didn’t have the ability to evolve.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Paul Hadley Miller KK was the one who thought it best to emulate Jimi Hendrix... He was the one who came up with the present heavy-metal sound based on Jimi Hendrix. So for being a no talent schmuck, I'd say KK Downing has given Judas Priest just about every damned thing they ever had; and I might include Glenn and Rob as part of those gifts... AHEM. KK DOWNING GAVE JUDAS PRIEST the gift of ROB HALFORD TWICE, when even GLENN did not want Rob back! Glenn Tipton merely signed on with Judas Priest because they had a contract with Gull records. Now Glenn is perfectly content to go into retirement without championing the bringing of KK back for the good of the band; because after all, it's all about Glenn, isn't it? Or maybe his common-law wife, or whoever that manager 'Jayne' is. Wolfgang Mozart was a musical genius, he was also a 'right' asshole. Others have put the same label on Don Henley, Lindsey Buckingham, Roger Waters, John Lennon and many other very talented people. No less talented, and no less obnoxious.
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Julie Huffaker George Roland Wills please do not bring Jayne into this that is a cheap shot
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George Roland WillsAuthor Julie Huffaker I understand she is possibly the problem?
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Julie Huffaker George Have you not heard of Bill Curbishley, her boss, the one that suggested they do Nostradamus?
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Julie Huffaker George Roland Wills I highly doubt it
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George Roland WillsAuthor Julie Huffaker I read that.
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Paul Hadley Miller George Roland Wills plain truth. Judas Priest was a guitar duo band. Glenn and Ken developed Priests signature sound based on that dual attack. Then Eddie Van Halen happened, and then the 80s shredders who upped the guitar game exponentially. Glenn took on the challenge and placed himself in the same league as the best shredders out there. KK was satisfied to just ride the wave and not evolve. Glenn Tipton effectively became the lead guitarist of Judas Priest as they moved through the 80s. That’s all 100% on Ken Downing. He could have made a different choice, but he let himself fade into the background. Then when he quit and they replaced him with the virtuoso Richie Faulkner, there was never any good reason to bring KK back no matter how badly he bitched and burned bridges. Now he’s gone, and the band has been better for it.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Paul Hadley Miller well as someone who doesn't know one side of a guitar from the other, I will have to defer to your superior knowledge. I will add this one point. I studied drawing back in the 1990s, and I developed a style of pencil portraiture called Extreme Realism, which at the time was one of the best in the world; they have since come up with Hyper Realism, which is just insanely damned beautiful, and takes more hours than I would ever care to give it! But during the ten years I had an actual series of schools, I always noticed that it was the people who had never drawn anything who were the very best critics of what they were seeing; they did not know how to fix what was wrong with it, but they could tell you EXACTLY what was wrong with it. I have no idea what you're talking about. But to tell me that Richie plays better guitar than KK, I do not hear it. Perhaps is the fact that Richie dresses exactly like KK, and still does not know how to "throw shapes." But I could hear it when Randy Rhodes did it, or Jimi Hendrix... or Zack Wylde. But Richie? Richie plays KK's music just a little bit too fast; I do know that. I will say one other thing. As a fan of heavy-metal, I have to say that the most annoying part of any song are the guitar solos; seriously. It's called a band for a reason. I've watched Eddie Van Halen get up there and basically show off those skills in that masturbatory fit that all guitarists do when the spotlight is upon them... And I have never been impressed. Not once. But then, I don't understand music. I just know what I like; and When I watch the British Steel 30th, I can go into the most delicious trance when everybody is swaying back and forth in unison, and all playing at the very same time.
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Nick Cerantonio Paul Hadley Miller KK evolved as well. He was tapping and sweep picking as well. Don't be ignorant.
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Jeff Richards Paul Hadley Miller really? Did the rest of judas priest tell you that? Wish we all had the inside scoop, like you do!
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Guillaume Joan Pépin Paul Hadley Miller Some Jugulator was KK too, thats obvious by the style. Talking about Weight
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Brendon Schlitt You win for long winded diatribe
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:37
Emmanuel Mertz I agree that with Glenn less and less able to play due to parkinson, I would be happy to see KK back in the band... That being said, we can't overlook the human aspect and forget that KK and Rob have a personal beef and that KK back into the band full time or even for a writing session would just end up as a conflict... That's litteraly what happened to Pink Floyd at some point, two members were feeling squished by the other and it ended up in one of the two being fired, then to sue the rest of the band to claim the brand, then to loose his lawsuit, then to the remaining of the band releasing only two albums (which one could argue is really one split in two because the last one was just songs which didn't end up on the previous one) and split up definitely apart from a charity where the fired member came for a last show... It's the same story and I'm glad Richie is here, even if it sounds more like "Halford 2" or "Richie's Priest", at least we have good songs still being released instead of the band just splitting up into flames of lawsuits... TL;DR : despite everyone saying it's only a matter of money, KK can't be back because of the beef between himself and Rob that would end up in a disaster anyway...
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:41
Armored Saint.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Michael Halford: I thank you for your reply. Funny that you should say, " I believe if a Metal fan listened to all the albums and had no idea what year they were released, they would put Firepower over many of Judas Priest's albums." I will share something with you. In August of 2008, my father was dying in the hospital at Duke. I had Nostradamus on an iPod walking up and down those massive halls, and I became intimately familiar with the album; one of the first that I had purchased as a set of MP3 files from iTunes (I now have it on CD). I had to start being a caregiver for my mother, and my brother was also dying of cancer. By the time I got back into music again, Firepower had been released. Now, guess what I did not know? I did not know that KK Downing had left the band. I studied Redeemer of Souls, Battle Cry, and Firepower without the knowledge of Mr. Downing's permanent absence. Redeemer of Souls was an absolute dog; a wet rag. Not only were there no A-list songs, there were no B-list songs. The one song with any redeeming character was Beginning of the End; because that's what it was. I tried to like Sword of Damocles, Halls of Valhalla (I was into VIKINGS and Lagertha Lothbrock, at the time) , and Secrets of the Dead. I could not like any of them very much. From that absolutely wretched cover, Dragonaut (whatever the hell that was), and the title song, it was as big a lost cause as the founding fathers in 1865. March of the Damned was basically reconstituted Armored Saint. And the other eight or so songs were attempts, but little else. Compare Battle Cry to BS 30th, and there is absolutely no comparison. WHAT IN THE HELL HAD HAPPENED TO MY BAND? They sounded as if they had been recorded in MONO. Then came Firepower. Great Artwork, if anyone knew what the hell it was... Was it being destroyed in fire? What exactly was going on with... that? NEVER THE HEROES is the one good thing I found on there, but I am sure I have heard that song somewhere else before... Lightning Strike was nice (but Hellfire Thunderbolt was better!). The other songs? No... attempts, perhaps... nothing finished... no Mozart songs... "finished as no work is ever finished..." Just not Judas Priest. Sorry. I began to speculate that KK Downing had done something with his amps to accentuate Glenn's playing; to harmonize with it. A man named John Clark wrote and said that he had purchased KK's old amps, and that I was on the right track. KK had indeed tuned his amps down to accentuate Glenn as the LEAD, and to create a MONSTER sound from two guitars. KK had PURPOSELY taken the part of the second string, second chair, second fiddle position to GLENN for the sake of the band, letting Glenn do all of the glory work. So, stop saying that KK is not as "good" as Glenn Tipton; KK is the real maestro, here. Because JUDAS PRIEST was KK's baby, originally. His project. Recycled band name, and all. And everyone else was just hired on... except for Ian, of course, who yet continues to strum four strings, write nothing, and say nothing. But that WALL OF SOUND was KK's project. The VERY THING that I am still missing from the last three albums. KK left because the quality of the work had fallen off. I plainly see now that he was exactly right, but without him, they are just not Judas Priest.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:47
Kurt Brennan Well this is all matter of opinion. I've been following them closely since 81/82. I'm still haven't spent enough time with Invincible Shield to grade it. No A-list songs? Firepower had at least 3. Firepower, Lighting Strikes, Evil Never Dies. When Firepower took off, I argued that the biggest difference between that and Redeemer was that Redeemer was lacking the one or two radio hits. I hate to break it to ya, but a lot of the 'hits' on the earlier albums were songs that stood the test of time, especially in the live set. They didn't have hits that made rock radio, and significant impact, until maybe Hell Bent, more likely British Steel. BS was the first time they really had songs that took off. In hindsight over the years some of those early tunes from Wings, Class, etc., have become our favorites. But it wasn't that way at the time. They were struggling for years. Redeemer may not have the radio singles, but it's a much better album than Nostradamus, and I think better than Angel of Retribution. KK wanted out. The band got a noticeable kick in the ass when he 'retired'. Redeemer was the most solid and consistently well written JP album in a long time. Granted, without the hits(yet they also get criticism by some for writing radio singles). Firepower feels like a modern day British Steel. KK only came back cuz his golf course failed. If that had succeeded, you'd never hear from him. JP could have packed it in when KK bailed, and Rob could have continued with the Halford band. I'd have been fine with that. But I'm happier they made albums the quality of Redeemer and Firepower. As far as calling this Rob and friends, how is it Rob's fault Glen got sick. The band got a second(or 4th) wind with Richie on Redeemer. Glen supposedly still wrote for Firepower. So if anything, this current album might be the first time you could say that. Which is pretty insulting to Ian and Scott by the way.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Kurt Brennan Apparently there are two kinds of people in world; those who like Neil Diamond, and those who do not. Those who like KK and those who do not. You could be right about the early Judas Priest songs; we like them so much better compared with what we are getting today! This modern vapid cookie cutter metal for millennials tends to have that effect!! Your A list songs on that album do not lift the bar very high, I am afraid. I am seeing a pattern here. Those people who like this "metal for millennials" form of music and writing are always glad that KK left. I guess Halford is in that bunch. But they lost me after the Seminole Arena, and... they are apparently not very interesting in getting me back~
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:48
Kurt Brennan George Roland Wills Seminole Arena? Honestly I don't care one way or another about KK. He was a huge part of the band writing and performance wise. Then he quit and went out of his way to burn bridges in order to sell books(confirmed by the book author). Then had the balls to gripe about not being welcomed back. So my opinion is he made his bed. But, if they welcomed him back, and he brought the energy he's bringing to his KKP project, I'd assume that would be a good thing. Especially with Glenn all but in the shelf. I'm not rooting for him to fail whatsoever. I just think he didn't conduct himself very honorably.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Kurt Brennan I agree, but again, most creative geniuses are supposed to be absolute assholes! John Lennon, Roger Waters, Don Henley, Lindsey Buckingham... Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart... It's a pretty long list. There is room for KK on the list, along with Glenn, and Rob!!!!
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Kurt Brennan George Roland Wills Well, I ain't got an ounce of creativity, but I dunno if that gives me a free pass out of the Asshole club!!
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George Roland WillsAuthor Kurt Brennan At least you are in good company!!
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:52
Darrin Sutton Could be much worse Look at the snoozers maiden & metallica dumped on us Priest is very much alive ..... and KK's killin it also
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Jerry Allen While I agree with much of this, there’s other things I don’t agree with. I agree KK needs to return but I disagree that firepower or IS don’t have A list songs. Never the heroes? Come on!
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George Roland WillsAuthor Jerry Allen Never the Heroes is close, and here are the seven songs I like off IS... Not A List, true... but I have them and Iisten to them. They would all sound much better with KK's glorified amp system... but you can't have everything. I look at these like the seven songs off the three solo Rob bands; nice tunes... but rather like Chinese Democracy; I have it, I like some of it, but it is not GNR!!! (and I did not like THE BIG 4 off IS, either... Panic Attack, The Serpent and the King, Crown of Horns and IS... way too over-wrought!) No photo description available.
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Jerry Allen George Roland Wills I’m still absorbing IS but imo it is all great. No filler. Firepower has Never the heroes, No Surrender, Evil Never Dies, rising from ruins, Spectre, flame thrower. All of them, to me, are A list songs but not radio hits.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Jerry Allen invisible Shield is much better than Firepower, and No Surrender is a pretty nice song, too. Those others affect me like Evil Fantasies, Loch Ness, and Parental Guidance... not so much!!
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Julie Huffaker George Roland Wills KK did not have a glorified amp system, this is very commonplace with many bands, to have different tone stacks.
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George Roland WillsAuthor You need to talk to John Clark... he bought KK's original stuff.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Julie Huffaker... and while we are at it, lets every body just marginalize KK's contributions. ..
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Julie Huffaker George Roland Wills if you were talking about KK's tone stack that is not a contribution
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Julie Huffaker George Roland Wills I read his whole post
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Julie Huffaker That is only to differentiate between the two guitars and actually KK's was more suitable for a rhythm player, as I understand it
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John Clark Well, I’m not one to step into an argument over the minutiae of Judas Priest. 😎 I don’t find this sort of discussion useful and everyone loses a lot of positive energy for no reason. 🙁 Julie you are correct inferring from my post that it was to differentiate to guitarists and correct in the assertion many guitarists modify their amp tone. Where we differ is KK did something quite odd; modifying them in a way that runs counter to normal. It is not something you see in any band or guitarist I can think of. In fact, I think this is actually quite unique.  George is also correct, this is a purposeful decision by KK to separate his sound for the good of the band. The way he did it was not standard or accepted practice. A lot of thought went into it. I would consider it a contribution. For some guitarists quite a major contribution. So please agree to disagree. 🤘❤️ We all love The Priest in our own way… …and that is fine as long as it’s not loving in a Choirboy and Priest way. 😂🤘 That is wrong. 😂 
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Clark Thank you, sir!
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:54
David Willbanks Rob's solo projects had a lot of great tracks. Imo Resurrection was the true follow-up to Painkiller. It was more Priest than Priest at that time. I see posts about bringing KK back and I'd love to see it, but I'm out when people start saying the band is dead without him. Priest was losing steam when KK left. Richie coming on board breathed new life into Rob and we got a new incarnation of Priest. It's not the same, but if Richie had been the same as KK he'd have been trashed for being a copy. Intentional or not, KK's stream of interviews have been damaging to his chances of rejoining Priest. It seems to continue to this day.
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Brandy Turk I wish I had the time and patience to read all this, sorry I gotta skim it and may miss something.
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:54
Jason Berube For the record, I'm totally with George on this one. Priest really lost their legendary chemistry when KK left. He brought a psychedelic, otherworldly vibe to the band. I tealize its missing when I listen to KK's Priest, then post KK JP... it's just not the same recipie. KK brought transcendence! Let's hope Rob's "heart" to that comment plants some seeds.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Jason Berube Amen!!
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Anonymous2024-09-01 15:55
Felipe J Martinez Here we go. Yet another KK Downing bitch fest. I'm so tired of this issue. Put it to rest already. Pleeeeeeeeease. I posted this just the other day. Maybe you missed it:I have to say this. The idea that Judas Priest has declined in some way is complete BS. Priest has been my favorite band since discovering Unleashed in the East in 1978 and has never let me down in their recording of new albums or their live performances. In fact, I will not hesitate to say that in my opinion Firepower and Invincible Shield are among the best of Priest if not the best of Judas Priest 19 studio albums. Judas Priest has always been a Trailblazer with all albums having their own sound but uniquely Judas Priest. As for KK Downing, he was an integral part in Judas Priest founding and success and I will always love what he brought to the band, but I'm sick of hearing the debates about him. KK made a conscience decision to leave Priest and that's that. He was not forced out and he and fans need to get over it. Decisions have consequences and they have played out. Period. Richie Faulkner was brought in and saved this band from calling it quits and in my eyes is a better guitarist then KK ever was. Glenn Tipton was the superior guitarist of all who played in Priest. Just look at Beyond the Realms of Death and Painkiller and you can't deny that fact. I was not initially all that impressed with Andy Sneep when he was brought in but he has quickly evolved to be an integral part of the band. He has not only produced two of Priest's best albums but has filled the shoes of one of the greatest guitarists of all time in Glenn Tipton more than adequately and has now become a great addition to the bands live performances and I take my hat off to him for that. Rob Halford is the Metal God and nobody is better. I love this band and Judas Priest is and always will be the ultimate metal band of all time. Long live Priest!!!
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George Roland WillsAuthor Felipe J Martinez first of all, I respect your opinion. I respect everyone's opinion; it is the purpose of pages such as these to share different ideas. Not everyone agrees with this purpose; some people think you have to parrot their personal opinions back to them, or else face blazing, scathing hatred. Next, I find it fascinating that those people who hold different views than I do all seem to follow the exact same opinion; what I call the "Recognized Necessary" in order to avoid getting their heads bit off. Here's one of my favorites: 1. "KK made a conscience (conscious) decision to leave Priest and that's that." So even though KK brought Rob back TWICE; when he hired him the first time, and when he basically ushered him back in once again after he showed his ass by leaving inexplicably... KK does not get that same consideration. SO NOTED. "He was not forced out and he and fans need to get over it. Decisions have consequences and they have played out. Period." "Heard ya," as Ron White would say... 2. Now turn in your Metal Bibles to First Rob Chapter 7, and its first verse. "Richie Faulkner was brought in and saved this band from calling it quits and in my eyes is a better guitarist then KK ever was." Than. Better THAN KK. Then is next, after. Than is for comparisons. This is why I began to think that these rebuffing replies are AI computer generated; all of the grammatical mistakes are exactly alike. 3. "Glenn Tipton was the superior guitarist of all who played in Priest." We preach Glenn, and him glorified. Amen. Never mind that Judas Priest was not a contest; it was a band. And as I have stated elsewhere, if I had my way, there would never be a guitar solo of any kind. Since we're being honest here, I love the song Victim of Changes with the exception of that annoying opening. And I never could stand to see guitarists like Eddie Van Halen perform that masturbatory act with his guitar during Eruption. The guitar solo breaks away from the actual song, causing it to pause and have to wait until that is over. 4. "I was not initially all that impressed with Andy Sneep (Sneap) when he was brought in but he has quickly evolved to be an integral part of the band. He has not only produced two of Priest's best albums but has filled the shoes of one of the greatest guitarists of all time in Glenn Tipton more than adequately and has now become a great addition to the bands live performances and I take my hat off to him for that." While our organist is playing... 5. "Rob Halford is the Metal God and nobody is better." Thou shalt have no other gods before he. 6. "I love this band and Judas Priest is and always will be the ultimate metal band of all time. Long live Priest!!!" Great. Glad to hear it. Personally, after hearing the new ACCEPT, and the brand-new Sebastian Bach... THIS has the old dirt and energy that the recent KK-less Priest is missing in its own over-polished, formulae cotton candy-ass metal wrapped in a lovely neon 'magenta and fuchsia' colored shield!! But again, just an opinion! 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV8USmxRzw0
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George Roland WillsJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans · While reading these comments on the idea of the modern Judas Priest versus the original Judas Priest, two very decided schools of thought develop for consideration. I have read Heavy Duty; Days and Nights in Judas Priest, as well as Confess. I think that the answers to our questions are to be found in those books. It all boils down to two men, and two separate ideologies for the direction of the band. Some people enjoy the original direction of the band, while others think that the new direction is the best possible continuation. One side believes, as I just read in an extensive commentary, that KK Downing was originally an integral part of the band. This writer also seems to believe that KK Downing committed the ultimate sin when he left the band. He does not extend that same 'ultimate sin' transgression to the earlier leaving of Rob Halford. Apparently Mr. Halford gets a free pass to return to the band, where K K Downing does not. I have also noticed that the same people who revere Rob Halford as the sinless metal god also promote Glenn Tipton as being far superior to KK Downing. These two characteristics seem to go hand in hand. Indeed, most of the new fans and not a few of the old ones hold to this decided philosophy. Rob Halford walks on water, and Glenn Tipton is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The third characteristic of this group may be summed up within this direct quote: "I love this band and Judas Priest is and always will be the ultimate metal band of all time. Long live Priest!!!" That is one particular line of thought. There is another line of thought; and this group is usually the older people; the founding fans, if you will. Or, even if you won't. As a member of that other group, as one of the founding fans, I recognize the fact that we are responsible for the successful existence of Judas Priest. We are the sine qua non; the "without which, not" of that band, and indeed, of all of actual heavy metal as an art form. This thing has indeed been our fault. We, the original faithful, have ever been threatened by much fake metal; by punk, speed, thrash, glam, hair, sludge, grunge, metalcore, and every living thing that creepeth about on all fours. And now we are threatened by this new line up and this new direction of the band. We would most likely be satisfied with dueling KK's, seeing as how Richie appears to be more KK than Richie, himself. But the second group does not concur. And I wondered why this was. It all goes back to those two books. In a nutshell, Rob Halford admits to being the original diva; the original one to leave the band. He further seems to 'confess' that it was most likely him who caused KK to leave the band. At the end of that long tour, just before everybody decided to 'Epitaph' and go their separate ways, Rob intimates he thought he messed with everybody by saying that he was leaving again. Everybody was tired, overworked, and needed a long break. And Halford thought what better time to stir up some shit! (Hey, it's his book!) And by the time this rumor got around to KK, KK just got pissed off and left. That part of his book has bothered since I first read it. Apparently KK let Rob Halford push his buttons. Apparently Rob now has the band that he's always wanted. This begins to make sense; in the early 90's, Rob obviously believed that he was so important that there could be no Judas Priest without him. Singers tend to have that effect; Jim Morrison, Elvis, Bob Seger, Vince Neil, Sebastian Bach, but especially Rob Halford. I think a lot of people felt that way. I felt that way, at the time. But I held it against Rob that he did this thing; and I think he did it to attempt to have what he has now; complete autonomy away from the man who created the most popular form of Judas Priest ever to be created; KK Downing. What I'm finding out now is that Rob Halford was only half of that final equation; without KK, Glenn Tipton stays with the Flying Hat band, and Rob Halford continues to pretend to be part of a failed band called Lord Lucifer, while singing Doris Day songs in the shower. Or, whatever. And Ian? He does what he always did; strum four strings and stare at his feet. Because without KK, the band has indeed gone in a different direction. Three albums, now. Of those three albums, I only really like two songs; Never The Heroes, and Trial By Fire. Both of those seem to be done in the Old Style. There are about seven songs on Invincible Shield which are nice, but they're not Judas Priest songs; they are Richie's Priest songs. It's rather like Chinese Democracy; I like about five songs, but that is an Axl Rose solo project, not a Guns N Roses album; we waited thirteen years for nothing. Judas Priest is gone because Glenn is gone, and KK is gone. Long Live Richie's Priest. Not my Judas Priest; Richie's. My Priest is the one with all of the Hall of Fame albums; the one envisioned and developed by KK Downing.
George Roland WillsJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans · In the phenomenon known as heavy metal, a form of music which was admittedly made to reflect the experience of the musicians living in a metal foundry town, and making such music in order to allow them to vent their own frustrations at their poverty, and their lack of social status, the fact remains that a precious few of us actually put this form of music on the map. We of the Old Order, particularly in the United States, risked much to obtain and to possess and to enjoy what was basically a taboo form of music at the time, in the years before the Internet and cell phones. It was our loyalty which actually created the niche known as heavy-metal. And while most of us had absolutely no musical ability whatsoever, without us, there never would have been a Judas Priest. Without these original fans, no one would have ever noticed anything. But during those difficult early days, when we kept a separate crate of records in the back of the closet, heavy metal completely belonged to us. Every time we would go to the store, back to the import bin, and find a copy of EXCITER's Heavy Metal Maniac, or Witchfinder General's Death Penalty, we knew that our purchases of British Steel and Hell Bent for Leather had made these other bands possible. Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin belonged to the class a year or so before us; that was not our music. But this was uniquely our's. And these bands belonged exclusively to us. So when we find out that our bands are changing their musical styles to keep up with bands of which we have never heard, or musical styles completely unfamiliar to us, all in the name of attracting new fans, we don't take it the right way. It rubs us the wrong way. We are use to our musicians being about 10 years older than we are; so when we see some kid playing a guitar who was born the year that I graduated high school, what could he possibly have to say to me? What profound lyric might he envision for us? True heavy metal died just after Guns N Roses in the early 90's. Bands like Ozzy, Priest, Saxon, and the like still remained upright, and for the most part, ambulatory... still belting out hymns. But like Keith Richards, they just had not fallen over yet... But truly heavy metal died after the time of Use your Illusion II. Just after the Painkiller era. After that, it was all modern metal. One of our best kept secrets is the reason that we liked Nostradamus so much; besides the fact that it is a killer album... it gave all of these kids who had inadvertently changed our music (by influencing our bands in a modern way) a taste of their own medicine; "This is new, and different, and we don't like it." So now you know how THAT feels! Kids... Heavy metal was supposed to remain our's... the music, the style, and all that bullshit about being united, and taking on all the world... about defending the faith... Any change in the music was supposed to have been about us; but now our band is divided, and influenced and adulterated by these kids. Kids with whom we have absolutely nothing in common. The only thing they do is make us feel old, and tired. So if we're not too crazy about that, that's why. Most of the people my age who put heavy metal on the map would have never written this; would have never owned up to this. Our parents were from the silent generation, and a lot of that rubbed off on us, the late generation baby boomers. But I feel like we owe Judas Priest an explanation as to why everything from Angel of Retribution to the present might not have gotten the reaction that they sought. I personally allow anything up to Nostradamus, and to the British Steel 30th album... KK saved all of that, prior to Redeemer of Souls... by just being there. It's not our music on the new stuff; the music itself is perfect; too perfect, actually. The recording is fantastic, the cover art is top quality printing. It's the message. They're no longer talking directly to us. It's no longer all about us. The edge is gone; the rough edge that cuts slightly, when you pick it up wrong. It is not about us, any more.
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Ian Bell So you didn’t buy the album then?
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George Roland WillsAuthor Ian Bell No. My collection of Priest stops at Nostradamus and four (4) copies of BS 30th; 2 US and 2 UK copies. (I did buy the single of Trial by Fire; that is almost an A List song... almost).
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John Clark I quite like your analysis. I own two of KK’s amps and when I first purchased them I took them to Steve Dawson ex-Marshall engineer to his company in Newcastle to analyse. One had been heavily modified interestingly, the modifications were not for extra gain, they were extensive modifications and to the tone stack.  What KK did by design was emphasise the low end to lower mid frequencies so that he didn’t clash with Glenn Tiptons, more standardised Marshall’s of high mids and trebles. Wasn’t by mistake. They sounded so good together as a unit because there is a clear design to stop eating each other’s frequencies, to separate the guitars and yet when they were playing together get a full frequency sound. That is why I intend to use his amp on my next recording, doubling up on my standard Marshall. I really do think your analysis is right
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Clark Thank you, sir!! It is nice to hear from someone who actually knows what he's talking about!! I look at KK as the man who birthed Judas Priest, and then stood back like the expectant parent, and waited for his additions of Rob, Glenn, and whatever drummer to bring his creation to life. Of course he was willing to take a backseat to his own creation; what parent would not do that? Let Glenn have the spotlight... That's how I picture KK!! Thanks again! You really should post what you just wrote as its own post!!
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John Clark George I may post photos of the amps and what Steve found in them. Perhaps a collection of photos from the Bonhams auction where most of KK’s icon gear was sold as most people did not get to see it. Just need time. 😂🤘
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Clark And maybe a link to where I can hear your stuff?? Thanks, John!!
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John Clark George it will come on to the page as we get closer to release with video. 😎🤘
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Clark You are a friend of Alan Gardiner and the Doom Train? I have been loosely following them for years. They sent me VOYAGER many years ago, which I thought was pretty good. How is the band these days? And what is your latest project where you will use the KK designs?
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John Clark George If you like Priest you should enjoy it. Not much on the page yet, but it will be more ‘alive’ in the coming months. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090785587216 Kings Of The North Kings Of The North Kings Of The North
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George Roland WillsAuthor John Clark Thanks! I shall!!
John ClarkJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans teronsSpdo8iu1llc025i697A0hmg1lp69r9ui1gh uh9h2ah4cutu496c8t · This is a post about guitar equipment and KK Downing’s amplifiers so apologies to those who are not very interested in guitar amps, but for those who are here goes … At the KK Downing Bonhams Auction. I managed to buy one of KK’s Marshall amplifiers it was a non-master volume JMP given to KK in 1978. Marshall provided 8 full Marshall stacks; 4 each to KK and Glen. According to KK, these amplifiers were used on every tour and album from 1978 through to the Angel of Retribution in 2005. So these amplifiers went through a period of big stacks, through to the 80s phase of rackmounted gear and even into the final period were many were using solid state amps and modellers. As you can imagine if you are using an amplifier through all those decades it’s going to get some major modifications for it to work with the new technology. His number 1 amp had holes cut into the back plate to accept XLR sockets. Only two of his amps had this modification his number 1 and the one I purchased which I consider his number 2. One might ask why were they modified in this way and I think the pair of amps 1&2 were used in that period of the 80s where they were using a lot of rack-mounted gear. Probably acting like an effects loop, with effects & racks either side of stage or at the front of house. XLR to keep signal noise down on long runs of cable. I took this amplifier and another one to Steve Dawson, who used to work and design amplifiers for Marshall. Steve opened up the amplifiers, gave them a service and checked them over and made copious notes on the modifications that were made inside the amplifier. One would think there would be extra gain stages or at least modified gain, so there was more distortion as the amplifiers were coming from a period of 1978 through to the 2000’s, where albums and heavy-metal required much more distortion, but interestingly, KK had not done that at all. What KK did was to distinguish his frequencies from Glenn’s, he had spent a lot of time heavily modifying the tone stacks in order to emphasise low, middle range frequencies, and low frequencies. I surmise Glenn has the typical Marshall high-mid to high-treble sound and to separate them out… to give much more balance on stage… KK modified his amplifiers for the other lower registers. I think that gives an indication of the musicianship of these players that they thinking that way to complement each other for a better sound. Certainly, Steve Dawson was surprised by what was done internally. Likewise the main guitar input was marked by Tipex as the normal low gain Input II on the Marshall. That in itself is quite an unusual choice as it gives less gain, but does offer more bass frequencies. Interestingly, also in the auction, but not in the catalogue was one of the other amplifiers from 1978 JCM 800 non-master volume. It was not modified externally. Because this amplifier was not in the catalogue international buyers were not aware of it. I wasn’t aware of it in the auction room either until it got sandwiched in between two other amplifiers so nobody bid on it. As it did not sell, I contacted Bonhams and made an offer and this was accepted by KK post auction. I enclose all the photographs of the amplifier. You will note the Tippex around the low gain input to, also note the now removed XLR ports. This isn’t a spam post, these were verified by Bonhams. I also had contact with KK via a representative and KK explained and confirm the veracity. Of course this was the official auction that sold all his guitars as well. So what you see here is the real thing. I hope you enjoy it my fellow guitar geeks. I did a close up this morning of the settings if you wanted to know what he set them at.
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George Roland WillsJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans · I have an idea for these aging rock groups: After reading CONFESS, I begin to see the problems with the various personalities; and like most talented people, the top three musicians in the Judas Priest metal foundry; Rob, Glenn, and KK ... have historically not been able to see that it takes all three of them for this engine to run properly. Halford finally saw it when he struck out on his own, and tried to "metal god" all by himself; it didn't work out. Even Glenn wanted a shot at it, all to no avail. KK has now begun to see the great problems that not having The Three of Them All At Once brings to their creativity. I don't think they're ever going to wise up to that (Roger Waters finally did, but he had waited so long that apparently David Gilmore told him to go screw himself). But they're all three going to miss one other final opportunity, if they don't collectively tighten up... Their time is fast running out, and none of them are ready to sit down, yet. Even die hard fans of Glenn see him wandering around the stage like Marley's ghost with a guitar while Andy Sneap appears to be shadow playing for him. But the writing is on the wall for all of them. I have a plan that would be suitable for all of them: Have KK's Priest follow Judas Priest on tour, opening for them. That would literally double the value of each ticket sold, and you would get to see the entire band together, one way or another. Rob would have an opportunity to sit down, and rest for a few minutes while they interchanged members in and out, if they needed to... And Judas Priest and their precious solemn oath never to have KK back in the band would be satisfied - for whatever good that would do anybody. It may get to a point where they have to do that, but bringing out anymore well meaning outsiders who merely know how to play the songs would be the death knell for either band. They need to work together again if they continue to play, and if they continue to want to play in their rapidly degrading situations.
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George Roland WillsJudas Priest (DIE HARD) Fans · I have an idea for these aging rock groups: After reading CONFESS, I begin to see the problems with the various personalities; and like most talented people, the top three musicians in the Judas Priest metal foundry; Rob, Glenn, and KK ... have historically not been able to see that it takes all three of them for this engine to run properly. Halford finally saw it when he struck out on his own, and tried to "metal god" all by himself; it didn't work out. Even Glenn wanted a shot at it, all to no avail. KK has now begun to see the great problems that not having The Three of Them All At Once brings to their creativity. I don't think they're ever going to wise up to that (Roger Waters finally did, but he had waited so long that apparently David Gilmore told him to go screw himself). But they're all three going to miss one other final opportunity, if they don't collectively tighten up... Their time is fast running out, and none of them are ready to sit down, yet. Even die hard fans of Glenn see him wandering around the stage like Marley's ghost with a guitar while Andy Sneap appears to be shadow playing for him. But the writing is on the wall for all of them. I have a plan that would be suitable for all of them: Have KK's Priest follow Judas Priest on tour, opening for them. That would literally double the value of each ticket sold, and you would get to see the entire band together, one way or another. Rob would have an opportunity to sit down, and rest for a few minutes while they interchanged members in and out, if they needed to... And Judas Priest and their precious solemn oath never to have KK back in the band would be satisfied - for whatever good that would do anybody. It may get to a point where they have to do that, but bringing out anymore well meaning outsiders who merely know how to play the songs would be the death knell for either band. They need to work together again if they continue to play, and if they continue to want to play in their rapidly degrading situations.
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Phondlemuy Hareybalz Tried to metal god all by himself and it didn't work out...? Have you even listened to his solo work?
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Nick King Euran Effincock it's okay. Just... okay
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Phondlemuy Hareybalz Nick King I don't even know how to respond to that.
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Nick King Euran Effincock okay 👍
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Tobias Sköld Nick King the first was good, then it was downhill from there.
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Nick King Don't get me wrong, Made in Hell and Resurrection are absolute bangers, but the rest, "meh". The Halford live album though - it's up there with the best of them.
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Daniel R. O'Connell Euran Effincock Resurrection was Rob's first return to form-the unofficial sequel to Painkiller!
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Phondlemuy Hareybalz Daniel R. O'Connell and it's a brilliant fucking album. Silent screams is one of my absolute favourite songs of all time.
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Lisa Adams Glenn does Not wander around the stage like anyone's Ghost! Not cool to say.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Lisa Adams Jacob Marly... from A Christmas Carol. His role in the story is to warn Ebenezer Scrooge that he is being an absolute 'dick' about the idea of Christmas... And unless he changes his ways, against his will, it's going to kill him. The loneliness, the lack of taking care of himself, the lack of love... all of this will compound to put Ebenezer Scrooge into an early grave... So Ebenezer has a choice, coming from Marley's ghost... The chains on the money boxes that Marley carries in the afterlife were forged during his life... And Ebenezer has had seven extra years to make his own chain even that more "ponderous." (Heavy). Glenn on the stage is - to me - a symbol. A symbol that they are missing someone... Someone who would very much like to be back... And someone who is needed by the other two in order to reach the heights they have attained before...
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Michael Neo Noel Lisa Adams why do you think that he left priest? She's got huge health problems.
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Lisa Adams Michael Neo Noel He you mean and I know what he has. I was talking about the way he worded that, it was not respectful.
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Michael Neo Noel Lisa Adams well if you go back a few years. Those are when KK quit and Glenn couldn't play anymore. Rob Halford is not known for changing lineups once they work that hard and what they did. The new guitar players are absolutely fantastic and the material of priest has been putting out over the last six seven years is amazing. I remember seeing Judas Priest in 83 much different band than they are now.
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Lisa Adams Michael Neo Noel Ok but what does that have to do with what I said?
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K-Man Khalil Donaghey Michael Neo Noel Glenn's diagnosis was much MUCH later and he could play perfectly well in the years after KK left. KK left in 2010.
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Travis Graham They're fine the way they are. They've each put out decent to great albums over the past few years, no need to change it up and overthink things. Not everything has to be storybook.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Travis Graham Yeah, and you are probably right... but still, I can never hear UNITED again, and feel like they mean it.
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Travis Graham George Roland Wills Then cling to the messages in Never Forget. All good things must come to an end, but you'll never forget the good times. And they'll play to the end, even if it can't be together.
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Brian Theriault Russell Phillips Exactly! The engine with the current lineup is running on all cylinders. Firepower was one of their best albums, ever. Rapidly degrading situation? 😂 KK shit on the band, just as Waters did. Gilmour’s Floyd produced several albums that stand on their own today as classics. Priest too, continues forging their legacy, without KK, as it should be after all that has happened. Wishing him well, but I for one have no interest in being KK at a show with that kind of a weird vibe. Give me Sabaton or Saxon, let me hear War Pigs playing just before the curtain falls, and l could care less about KKs Priest unless I decide to buy a ticket to that gig to hear their own original music.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Brian Theriault I never get Sabaton... what ARE they saying?? Are they brauchening some Lebensraum, or what exactly are they doing?
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Phondlemuy Hareybalz I initially didn't actually read this post beyond the point where he stated Rob tried to metal god all by himself because I just figured the rest would be drivel. I have now read the rest of the post and I do believe it is drivel.
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Shawn Stofko Delete this post. The disrespect from a NOBODY like you about Glenn is embarrassing. None of them are ready to sit down? Ya think so genius? Do you even know who Ann Weldon is? Did you see the Rock and Roll HOF induction ceremony? I spoke to KK tonight and the will be doing a west coast tour in September. JP just released a killer album two weeks ago, do you really think they have one iota of thought of KK at this point? Your lack of understanding both bands is insane. Consider deleting your “plan” this is straight garbage.
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Phondlemuy Hareybalz Shawn Stofko agreed
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George Roland WillsAuthor Shawn Stofko So you really think that the level of work that either band is putting out is on the level of all three of them together? Yes, invincible Shield is pretty good; they've got seven songs on there about the same level or a little better than the seven that I selected from all three of Halford's other bands. But I'm looking for that A-list material; and even though he's not road able any longer, they still have Glenn and he can still write. But it's going to take all three of them. You can add all of the Rippers and all of the Richies and Sneaps that you like... But until you get the "magic three" back together - writing as one - I just don't see it happening. I have not seen it happen, let us put it that way. I'll let you in on a little something else; just about the time that Nostradamus was released, I had to become a caregiver for several members of my family. I bought Nostradamus off iTunes, liked it very much, and pretty much forgot all about Judas Priest for the next several years, even though I have every one of their albums, and have been a big fan since 1981. I just didn't have time to follow them. Sometime, about the time of Firepower, I had begun listening to Redeemer of Souls, Battle Cry, and the brand-new Firepower. I had seen several advertisements, but was not even aware that KK was gone; Richie makes an excellent stunt double, and from a distance, I had not really paid that much attention to him. I was mainly listening to the music that I was downloading... Redeemer was dead in the water, Battle cry was... just there. And Firepower had three bright moments; Lightning Strikes, Never the Heroes, and Traitors Gate. But again, nothing really overly satisfying. All of this sounded hauntingly on the very same level as Jugulator and Demolition... I wondered what in the heck could be wrong?? What had happened to the band who did the most magnificent Seminole Arena BS 30th concert??? What had happened to the writers and performers of Nostradamus? I soon found out the answer to my question; KK was no longer in the band. It was that obvious, and I didn't even know he was gone until I had time to study the recent works... In that, I realized just how important it was to keep all three of them together; they are Judas Priest. And they are the driving creative force of that entity.
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George Roland WillsAuthor Shawn Stofko exactly what is your definition of a diehard fan? Is it somebody who likes each and every song equally, simply because it was put out by a particular group? Or is it someone who wants to hold the band up to light, to make sure that they are giving their best at all times; that they're taking advantage of every possibility, and creating as many a list perfect pieces as they can? Which?
David Johnson It’s too late to expect them to work together again. I saw KK’s Priest Wednesday. Such a good show. I left feeling so satisfied. The last couple of times that I saw Priest it was a little lackluster compared to days of old. I don’t see either band as classic Priest those days are gone. Out of what’s left just enjoy what we got instead of what if.
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George Roland WillsAuthor David Johnson I kind of have to agree with you there... KK's Priest is really beginning to get good... I hope they really get great!! It would satisfy on so many levels!!!
Diana Chavdarova I bet he does... Not surprising they've teamed up anyway, given their similar proclivities. As Downing writes in his book, he is incapable of a mature relationship, likes young girls, and left Judas Priest due to the dreary situation of mortifying boredom with no more young groupies and everyone retiring to their rooms to talk to family...
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Top fan Frankie Seance Kk might be upset when he hears about "dave ellefson's kk's priest 2 letters of resignation newstead's megadeth coffee experience "
Diana Chavdarova They should indulge together gently. Meanwhile I hope things work out for the young lady this "gentleman" groomed, and then plastered her online to supposedly salvage his reputation. From Downing's book: "I left Priest because there were no more young groupies." Also, referring to women as "chicks". He is 70, apparently fancying himself fresh cockerel.
Diana Chavdarova Just want to say, Mr.Downing, you're an absolute superstar who for some peculiar reason lacks the due confidence. Priest are complete fools for trying to belittle you. Let them tour with Andy Sneap. Stay active (very active!) - you'll totally outshine them. You however need a vocalist with wider appeal and sensibilities, to match what you and Les Binks could bring on. I'm thinking the likes of Paul Rodgers etc. Yep I know that's a wild suggestion, but you get my point.
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Diana Chavdarova Cheryl Hite He's made most bizarre statements, such as: Halford's albums are shit, basically all solo albums are shit. Had he been a perfectionist - but most importantly, creative one - he'd have stayed musically active outside Priest.
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Diana Chavdarova Not hard for anyone as good and established as Downing. Sting didn't stay obsessed with Police, to give just one example. Plus, Priest has been rubbish post-Epitaph.
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Diana Chavdarova I am understanding that they had some power-play with Tipton which will never be resolved. Downing needs to move past that. Or if he is fixated on Priest and redeeming his rightful position - fine. He however should demand, not beg to be included in the 50th anniversary celebration.
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Diana Chavdarova Most definitely, and he also feels he did lack the confidence to assert himself and not let be victimised - at least what his book gives away. The episode where he couldn't deal with the fact he was being manipulated, and sobbed into his pillow, was heartwrenching.
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Diana Chavdarova Despicable. That's his problem, he's not moved on from the 80s. Not surprising they've teamed up, given their similar proclivities. As Downing writes in his book, he is incapable of a mature relationship, likes young girls, and left Judas Priest due to the dreary situation of mortifying boredom with no more young groupies and everyone retiring to their rooms to talk to family. We live in challenging times which press one to grow up. Instead, Downing prefers to block me from his new band's page when frankly questioned about Ellefson.
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Diana Chavdarova It's not the grown persons that I'm concerned with, it's the teens they groom. I bet you wish it were the 50s when you could marry your 13 y.o. cousin. And when you attack someone personally, you should fully expect to be blocked - this isn't the kindergarten and I'm not in for bickering with little boys of all ages. Bye.
Top fan Shane Thompson Diana Chavdarova The years of booze and dope, along with singing about the devil didn’t do it it for ya? Oh it’s the consensual sex or whatever they had going on privately.....that’s what sparked your interest. Got ya
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Diana Chavdarova Shane Thompson It's the grooming of a teen fan who doesn't see a 70 y.o. Peter Pan, but rather his fantasy that he's still in the 70s.
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Diana Chavdarova Bob Young Downing doesn't have a real life where relationships are concerned, read his book.
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Top fan Shane Thompson Diana Chavdarova have you read the girl’s statement? She clearly has said she was not underage and whatever happened was completely consensual. And I prefer Skippy but you enjoy your fantasy that Peter makes a better peanut nutter
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Diana Chavdarova Shane Thompson I hope it's being investigated how she was coerced to make that statement.
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Dan Sternaimolo Diana Chavdarova She was 19 years old. Move on !
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Diana Chavdarova Dan Sternaimolo Grooming doesn't only pertain to children, and I'll move on once I myself stop being harassed by these "metal gods" with the mental age of five (at the most) and unresolved maternal issues. I decided against making a post yesterday, but I'll attach it.