meta thread

This thread may be used to discuss issues relating the /prog/ itself, both old and new.

So, it's been a while since the unfortunate series of events that happened at old /prog/. I think most of the old community has posted here a least a few time, with the exception of cudder and that one person that probably spammed this /prog/ when it was first made, who I believe is still banned from this /prog/. I would like the following things to happen, although they may not be possible:

1. The old /prog/ community, or what is left of it, may continue bbsing using some medium.
2. I would like to be able to use this medium without disclosing my ip address.
3. A little bit of exposure to new people is healthy. While we had a lot of homework threads in old /prog/, some of them ended up being interesting. It's easy for us to run out of things to talk about if there isn't much activity other than us.
4. The connection to /prog/'s entire history helped shape the culture of the board. It would be nice to have that again.
5. Add more wants here.

And some possible ways of getting these things:
1. Write a captcha solver and integrate it into a userscript for old /prog/. Moderation appears dead there again, so things would be like how they were for the most part. Moderation could always come back again though, and it would not be possible to obscure ip addresses, so it's pretty far from anonymous.
2. We all create twitter accounts and tweet.
3. We can create an irc channel.
3. We wait for distbb to be completed. And then we'll have a distributed text board that can self moderate and...well, as cool as that would be, it'll be different from old /prog/. The medium isn't complicated, and replaceable, but the people, the customs, etc, are what make /prog/ what it is.
4. We create facebook accounts and like each other's pictures of fibs code.
5. We go to reddit.
6. Insert more ideas here.

>>1

3. We wait for distbb to be completed. And then we'll have a distributed text board that can self moderate and...

I don't think you understand how the DistBB `moderation system' works. You are perfectly free to archive all posts (and at least one /bbs/rider said they won't be deleting any posts on their nodes). There is no `karma'. There is no centralized moderation. You are the master of your node.

well, as cool as that would be, it'll be different from old /prog/.

This board is also different from old [spoiler]/prog/[/spoiler], the board software is quite dissimilar.

The medium isn't complicated, and replaceable, but the people, the customs, etc, are what make /prog/ what it is.

I agree, but I don't see what it would change.

1., 2., 3. (the first one), 4., 5.

Terrible!

>>2
distbb does sound neat. But it wont be the same as old /prog/. I liked the waves of spam in old /prog/. It was funny when a thread was thread stopped by a bot. And all the bugs in shiichan where fun as well. Many very curious things. Continuous necrobumping. Spam wars. It was the wildest west of any internet forum.

>>3
The spam is annoying.

I posted on the old /prog/ the last month or so before finding out about this place, and then moving here cause the spam is just too much.

I'm new here and I've been active the last few days: I started the Christian thread, I started the choose your co-programmer thread, I started the /pro/g// thread, I answered some questions and made some miscellaneous posts.

I like this forum cause I feel like I can say what I really think, while also not being surrounded by idiots. I feel if I were to say the things I really think and attach my identity to it, it would be bad for me, so I like it here.

I dont get the point. This board is perfectly fine, all it needs is a bit of new life with some new discussion and a bit of advertising on other sites couldnt hurt, but not on 4chan or so.

I wasnt on old /prog/ for months, isnt it already a dried out carcass?

Maybe we should send an email to the Sussman.

>>4

I started the Christian thread, I started the choose your co-programmer thread

Please stay. I liked those threads.

>>5
Yeah, they keep blaming all their problems on us, as usual. A few good posts are made by Cudder and some other guy, the rest is spam and that guy who doesn't like sage.

>>3
The spam was funny when shit threads got stopped by furious bots, but some actually good threads have been ruined by spam too.

If you want to make things more fun, make some /prog/ challenges or threads like the Choose your coprogrammer one.

I can say what I really think, while also not being surrounded by idiots.

I agree with this sentiment.

>>1
I like it here just fine, although if distbb ever gets finished that would be awesome. I think it would probably be pretty popular among a certain crowd as well.

I haven't followed distbb closely enough to know if this has been addressed, but how could you send messages to other nodes without knowing their IP addresses? Is there some kind of matchmaking pseudo-server?

>>1
Are you not happy with the board? Or do you just want more people? We could find ways of recruiting if you wanted it.

>>6
Maybe he'll find this board more scientific.

>>4

I feel if I were to say the things I really think and attach my identity to it, it would be bad for me, so I like it here.

A small userbase makes it easier to group posts together to form a pseudo identity, which may then eventually be deanonmyzed. But we are much harder targets than redditors and twitterers.

>>10
I am happy that there is some channel of communication that still exists between myself and all of you wonderful people. Change might even be a good thing but I was trying to think of ways of restoring the old /prog/, as if the unfortunate series of events never happened.

>>9

how could you send messages to other nodes without knowing their IP addresses?

By going through your favorite anonymity network.

>>10
Where would we get more people from, though?

/g/ is full of meme spewing retards plus a few experienced programmers but I wouldn't take that risk.

proggit isn't actually that bad but it feels like a bunch of enthusiastic 20yos had just discovered programming and use shit languages like Ruby, FIOC or Javashit. The comments in each article also show their retardation and reddit heritage.

Hacker News is just no. Javashit and startups? Fuck you.

Some Usenet newsgroups have actual discussion going, though their some of their users are too much awesomeness, fame and importance for us to handle.

If anything, this seems to point to /jp/. The occasional programming threads there show how the few people who can program are usually likable people. It's their rampant elitism that keeps them from turning into ``greentexters'' like pretty much the rest of the imagereddits.

>>13
I think some old usenetters might feel at home here. This place has a comp.lang.lisp feel to it.

>>12

A small userbase makes it easier to group posts together to form a pseudo identity, which may then eventually be deanonmyzed. But we are much harder targets than redditors and twitterers.

Sounds like a /prog/ challenge. First thoughts: build word frequencies for every post. Then loop over every post and every other post. For each pair of posts construct a link strength based on the word frequencies, then cull under a threshold, then the remaining networks represent identities (i.e. a human poster). You'd need some way of ensuring mutual exclusion too idk.

>>15
That would be a fun challenge. I would object for ethical consideration, but security companies already do it and probably do it better than what we can produce in an afternoon.

>>15
Oh fuck that sounds so fun. Will someone make a thread on /prog/?

>>17
Done :)

Hello, /prog/riders. I am glad you are enjoying the board. I am starting to have a bit more free time lately, and I've been forcing myself to program as much as possible, so I think I've increased my programming stamina. If all goes well, I should be able to better the site a bit and add a few useful things little by little. Let me know if there's any problems.

I keep an eye on the site, but mostly only for spam (and I post every once in a while, too). Is the lack of moderation fine? Want a hidden service board?

>>15
I've won the challenge, it's simple: I just log in and look at the IPs and user agent.

>>19
Yeah but only you can do that.

>>19
I have a feature request: make it so we can see the referred to post on mouse over (e.g. by mousing over >>19 you would be able to see your post)

>>20
I know, it was a joke.

>>21
That's going to have to be done in JS. I can probably do this, but that feels a bit too much like the imageboards. Does anyone else want this?

I've got to implement that RSS thing too, almost forgot about it.

>>21,22
NO JAVASHIT PLEASE, this site is fine as it is.

The RSS and a scraper/public self-updating database are still desired.

>>19,22
Almost forgot. The retard you banned a few weeks ago seems to be back. Could you do something about it, please?

Thank you for your kindness and for letting us post here.

>>22
>>23
It can be done in CSS only (like the spoiler tags) if you're willing to put up with redundancy. Just put a div with the quoted post after the reference, and have it show on hover (you can even make it animated or whatever these days).

>>25
I guess I'm fine with that, but how will it look in links?

As for the requests:
* [aa] don't seem to respect the font size of subs and sups.
Lorem ipsum _{This is an example (´･ω･`) of the issue} dolorem sit something in latin.

* Please fix the broken BBCode parser. Take your time.

This site already users javascript idiots. What happens when you click a post number?

That being said, I don't want hover quotes, no matter how it's implemented. If people insist on having it they can write their own script for it. Also take out the script that adds >>post_number to the comment when you click it.

>>27
Just use NoScript and blacklist the site's JS.

>>28
I already do that, I'd rather use sites that choose not to use javascript for what doesn't require it. Would you prefer this site used extensive javascript provided you could block it?

Hi admin. i'm from the old /prog/, haven't posted there in months but I used to be quite active there (author of "official /prog/ userscript"). First post btw.

okay so here are some things that i'd like to see:

- If it's not already there, a public git repository with the latest running code for the board so users can talk changes.
- more mad threads & sleepsorts
- less >>29

seems like a decent board at first sight. would be nice to have another outlet so I'll stick around.

>>31
I've been trying to delete spam like >>29 when I see it, especially on /prog/.

I'll put up some sort of repo soon with the modified code of the board. Got some stuff to take care of first.

I'll put up some sort of repo soon

PROTIP: never delay what can be done in under 20 minutes.

Also look at the meta meta thread, once the repo is there you can effectively ignore 100% of change requests that do not come with a patch attached (re/ js idiots).

Will port my /prog/ commander later today but it's 1pm and I still didn't even get hgih yet.

>>33
Setting up network services in 20 minutes is how to get exploited.

I still haven't decided which repo to use, either way.

>>33
javascript is shit faggot.

>>33
What's a /prog/ commander? Is it a text-based interface for /prog/?

Please change the post font to a non-sans font. Easier to read.

>>37
Isn't this the exact sort of thing Userstyles fixes? Why restrict yourself to the whims of a site admin when you can make a site look exactly the way you want, and all that.

>>38
I like defaults?

There's been studies on this sort of thing and something like 70 characters per line with a serif font is easiest to read for everyone. Hence the LaTeX defaults.

>>39
The admin switched to ~10pt sans-serif fonts since the very beginning; this site was originally using a 12pt serif font if I recall correctly. I like it this way because the framebuffer I use also uses a relatively small sans-serif font and it's a good balance between the amount of text shown in the screen and its readability. Anything smaller would be uncomfortable and anything bigger would be

SVBTLE KUDOS HNEWS
JAVASCRIPT IS SEXY
WEB 3.0 MINIMALISM
DARTH VADER NINJAS
STARBUCKS MACBOOKS
RUBY ROCKSTARS XDD

shit. I have a small screen (1440p wide) and this might be why I think everything is fine the way it is. Not sure how it looks in wider screens but I fail to see the issue with the current font. You don't have ADHD, do you?

The studies you mention are indeed correct, but there is no universal way of limiting the line length without fucking up the layout or just not looking fucking retarded. Besides, this is a textboard, not literature or an extensive paper about Jewish mathematics and abstract bullshit.