Does Catalonia deserve their own nation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_shortest-lived_sovereign_states&diff=804813121&oldid=804810628

Does anybody deserve anything? No, you take what you want or you get nothing.

>>2
Correct, even if they fully declare independence and promulgate a provisional constitution, there is nothing to stop the armed forces of Spain from forcefully taking back the region. They need the full support of at least one major nation that would send its own armed forces if need be to counter them.

I compare Catalan independence with Rhodesia, Britain used every dirty trick in the book to keep them from obtaining true independence and they had outright declared independence from the UK, just like the USA did in 1776, now it's an economic basketcase run by a goofy dictator and it's now called "Zimbabwe."

Its going to be a compromise between EU and Spain giving them nominal autonomy.
Spain doesn't need a civil war, it would start basque nationalists and other provinces claiming national sovereignty.

No, but scotland does

>>4
So basically, a "soft" exit of Catalonia from Spain, just like they're going to do (at best) in the UK with Brexit.

>>4

Spain doesn't need a civil war, it would start basque nationalists and other provinces claiming national sovereignty.

Russia will fund the opposition to make sure it happens.

>>7
Always with Russia, Nikita, let it go. Stop being so ButtNagasakied about it. Putin is just as much of a puppet as our Western leaders and agitating a brother war is a Jewish thing and goyim see right through it.

>>8
Russia is known to have donated money to many far right parties in Europe with the aim of destabilizing the region.

>>9
From mainstream Jewish sources that are agitating against Russia. I don't give a shit about Russia and I don't want a war against them. The "far-right" parties are also civic nationalist controlled opposition.

>>5
The Scotland independence referendum was also rigged, there's videos where you can see "yes" votes put into the "no" pile.

Citizens of Earth, cease your bickering. You will all be obliterated soon.

>>11
Found it. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg Also, reports are coming in that Carles Puigdemont has suspended the independence declaration to hold talks with Madrid. This sounds like he might cuck out.

Yay democracy!

Democracy

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=nC5XlkccfGQ

Democracy is a scam, a phantom, the perverbial eternal carrot at the end of the stick. The only way Catalans have at any chance at real independence is to become violent, revolutionary and insurrectionist like the IRA.

>>16
Get your toxicity off my thread please and thanks,

>>17
"Truth" is not toxic, it's reality. The USA didn't gain its independence from the UK by voting in a referendum. It took up arms and was aided by the French, Spanish and Dutch. Catalonia will need to do the same if it wishes for a secure independence from Spain.

>>16
they didn't have much luck in northen ireland tho

>>19
It got their point across better than a paper ballot, plus the Republic comprises most of the land area island of Ireland. So I'd say they faired pretty good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/catalonia-declares-independence-from-spain-direct-madrid-rule-looms-idUSKBN1CW0VF

Looks like Spain might end up with another civil war on its hands.

Now Puigdemont has left the country and is in Brussels.

https://www.rt.com/news/408228-puigdemont-brussels-madrid-lawsuit/

Puigdemont, Catalan ministers turn up in Brussels as Madrid sues them for rebellion
Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont has appeared in Brussels alongside other members of his cabinet as the Spanish Attorney General Jose Manuel Maza filed a lawsuit against the secessionist leaders over their push for independence.
Former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont has appeared in Brussels alongside other members of his cabinet as the Spanish Attorney General Jose Manuel Maza filed a lawsuit against the secessionist leaders over their push for independence.
On Monday morning, he posted a photo of the Catalan parliamentary palace, but did not appear there. Later, the Catalan media reported that the sacked regional leader turned up in Brussels alongside with some other members of his cabinet.
The Spanish authorities soon confirmed that Puigdemont had indeed traveled to the Belgian capital. The Catalan government’s press service, on the contrary, said it has no information about his whereabouts and added that it “knows nothing about the president [of the Generalitat of Catalonia] at the moment,” as reported by TASS.
Later on Monday, a Belgian lawyer, Paul Beckaert, told Reuters that Puigdemont had asked him to become his legal representative in Belgium. However, he said, the sacked Catalan leader has made no specific legal requests so far.
"I can confirm Carles Puigdemont has appointed me as his legal representative, as he is currently in Belgium," the lawyer said. "I'm his lawyer in case he needs me. At the moment there are no specific dossiers I am preparing for him," he added.