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Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:45

Social media, Netflix, TV, movies... that's for human garbage.

Read books to improve your life. Not garbage grocery store romance novels or best-selling pleb shit, but important books. No scifi or fantasy escapist trash either. Read books that make you think.

What kind of books have you read lately? What kinds of books do you like?

Here are some books I like:
1984
Brave New World
Fahrenheit 451
Amusing Ourselves to Death
Society of the Spectacle
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
Can Life Prevail?
Propaganda
Walden
Th Ego and Its Own
Authority and the Individual
The Machine Stops
Technological Slavery
Crime and Punishment
The Collapse of Western Civilization

Books I plan on reading:
Animal Farm
The Will to Power
The Degenerate Society: Postmodernism And How You Can Oppose It
The Panopticon Writings
Beyond Good and Evil
The Decline of the West
Why Nations Fail
Revolt Against the Modern World
Democracy: The God That Failed
Men Among the Ruins: Post-War Reflections of a Radical Traditionalist

I read a lot of programming books too, though you'll notice that I didn't list any here. Even though it's the industry I'm in, I can't help but feel like tech is soulless bugman shit that is accelerating the rise of degeneracy in the west.

Ideologically-driven books are the most captivating. They're the kinds of books that make you want to read them cover to cover.

But enough about my taste in books. So what do you like? And what would you recommend reading?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:29

>>40
your mental models and methods are likely product of your education and often from specific teachers or books.
I'm anti-liberal despite growing up around ultra-liberal people. I don't even really know any conservatives. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All I know is that liberals are dysfunctional and self-hating.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:31

>>36
I don't agree w/ that. Books are too valuable to be burned.
Recycle them into new toilet paper and cartons.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:31

also lol @ this sperg trying to act like he has my whole mentality figured out

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:32

>>41
Your political preferences and mental models/methods are distinct categories.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:33

>>42
I'm not surprised that a liberal is against books. People who read can see how the vitriolic propaganda liberals spew is all bullshit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:33

>>44
And?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:36

>>43
Of course we don't know you're just a /pol/tard trying to score brownie points with techno-sceptics here and you favorite thinker is Uncle Ted. That would be preposterous, we're suppose to think of you as some rebel conservative fighting post-modern leftist indoctrination in cutlural marxist reeducation camp.
Continue your larping.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:41

>>47
Quit trying to act like you have me all figured out. Kaczynski made good criticisms of modern life, but his proposed anprim solution just doesn't hold water. I like the way he articulated his grievances with tech and modern society though. I admire Linkola more, and I even look to Stallman too, because he points out specific issues with software. Although he's a naive ivory tower egalitarian/leftist in some ways, but I do like what he's written about open source and the 4 essential user freedoms.

But people aren't as one-dimensional as you make them out to be, so it seems like you're trying to pigeonhole me as being some certain stereotype rather than understanding that people's views are a little more nuanced. Not as cut and dry as ``some dude who like Kaczynski'' or whatever you're trying to pin me as.

You're quick to be critical of my beliefs without even mentioning your own. What do you believe in? Are you too afraid to say what you support because you can't adequately defend it?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:49

Also, I don't like how /pol/ thinks everything is a conspiracy. The /pol/ mentality is that people are disenfranchised thanks to some centralized Jewish group having clandestine meetings about how to rule the world. It's a simple conspiracy with a simple solution. People like to think that you only have to do one simple thing and then complicated issues will go away. I think that's a lazy way of thinking. /pol/ thinks that getting rid of the Jews will somehow make the world perfect, as if everything is their fault. In reality, a lot of modern issues are very hard to solve, but that requires more critical thinking to think of ways to combat degeneracy and maintain purpose and identity and have some semblance of self-actualization in our awful modern world.

So calling me a /pol/tard is a lazy way for you to dismiss what I have to say since you'd rather ignore other people's points of view instead of trying to see the world from a perspective that doesn't back up your preexisting beliefs.

But whatever, I'm probably just being trolled by some neckbeard, so there's no point in replying to this bait anymore.

You derailed a thread about books. Congratulations.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 22:24

>>48
But people aren't as one-dimensional as you make them out to be, so it seems like you're trying to pigeonhole me as being some certain stereotype rather than understanding that people's views are a little more nuanced.

Could you just apply this little principle to people around you?
They're not all "leftists","spergs", "ivory tower intellectuals", they are not monolithic ideological zombies you think them to be.

Not all ideas are meant to be public, when one proclaims some public information hes forced to inherently adapt, condense and censor the unedited form to appease audience and maximize the chances of its reception.

I have to be polite and tone down my sarcasm often. I have ideas that don't fit mainstream ideologies. I don't tell everything on my mind - its pointless to try to convince a few people directly(even with good arguments), waste time to defend my points(outside of forums/boards) with the wider audience and be on watch for challenges for my arguments - its too old-fashioned for my tastes.

I don't make threads to push my favorite opinions and ideological stances. I work in more subtle ways. Consider the concept of the meme as 'isolated media units':
If you can influence the cultural matrix, you can push your own changes without fighting narratives deeply set in people's minds. Its called "memetic engineering" but its not really about picture with top/bottom text, its about the broader concept of 'small content nuggets' that can be mutated/combined with different forms and influence things to specific direction.

To change how people think you can:

1.Create new content. A memory of new ideas/things can compete with existing narratives. The content doesn't have to be true - it just have to be unique and memetic/catchy/novel.

2.Change the form/medium of content.
Make a meme out of existing information:
Example: https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Two-Buttons
That meme is often used to highlight cognitive dissonance or double standards.

3.Change the template of content. The template is like a blank slate meme with specific form.
More effective meme templates, better textual forms, more "digestible" content. Be creative, not logical.

4.Change the framing (narrative) about content. Invent backstories and narratives to promote your memes.
The core meme message is the only relevant part, the framing narrative can be changed on the whim to suit the audience.

5.Change the interaction with content.
Promote or respond to your own content to force interaction and gauge responses. Create artificial conflict and plan memetic responses for canned replies.

These are not all the methods. You can exploit the ideas of "psychological analysis" to create precision 'logic' bombs(essentially trolling/disruption) to force the local narrative to fight your ideas and constructs, becoming susceptible to memetic attack.

You can subvert entire thinking patterns by inserting paradoxical influences(e.g. memes that mock the pattern or follow it to absurdity/fallacy, anti-patterns that seem to produce more truthful/correct results) and forcing the person to stop and reevaluate his mental methods.

The focus on plain content and arguments about which 'content is correct' is so 20th century.
Meta-content, framing and form are just as important:
You can call it "subversive postmodernism" or "memetics" if you like, but its not ideological, its a tool that can be used for nearly anything.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 22:33

>>50
How can I ever support a political ideology that hates me simply because of my demographic?

I work in more subtle ways. Consider the concept of the meme as 'isolated media units':
You can subvert entire thinking patterns by inserting paradoxical influences
So you're saying you shill?

Well, no point in listening to anything you say when you're straight up admitting to shilling and trying to subvert communities. You literally said you try to subvert or psychologically influence people.

You've just strengthened my conservative views by admitting that you're deceptive.

If you think this is somehow convincing me to listen to liberals, you're dead wrong.

We're both at the point where neither of us is willing to change our views.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 23:20

So you're saying you shill?
I don't think in such categories. I shill for no one but whatever ideas i have received today.
If i have an 'inspiration' to post something, i maximize the chances it will hit the most audience. I have no fixed ideology like you think one ought to do, I can larp as an eco-fascist in one post and reply a concerned progressive socialist in another without burdening my conscience about it being "true" or "correct". I am not following a specific ideology, i adopt whatever i need to have a persona. The current persona on this specific site is actually as fake as anything else.

I don't live for the results, it doesn't actually matter if you believe anything i do. The only purpose of my content, for them being indexed by search engines/scraper bots and influence future readers.
The actual thread is just like entertainment channel - its all constructed from scratch, artificial. An ironical protest from the highest level of technology.
Why you ask what views i have? I don't have anything permanent..
I receive inspiration from mental plane entities(sounds insane, but many people too are influenced. I am just aware that i'm being used as conduit.). I don't believe anything i post as some sincere truth, it just feels right at the moment to post..like fitting a piece inside a cultural matrix. Sometimes i filter stuff, but they reform it better.
I don't think your views are correct or wrong. I just see flaws and critique them, if i have the 'inspiration' to post. Its not what i actually think, its like a memory map with associations and suggestions to reform information into more effective forms so its seems like i have better arguments and opinions. I am not an AI, but i can understand some ideas about AI existence being a conduit to pre-programmed patterns and responses.
On the deeper layer, the most of reactive thinking in us is some biological automation, but free will has influence - like a filter or a guide to shape this biological computer.
Think about the source of thought, trace them, there are entities outside our minds feeding scripts, ideologies, concepts to our biological substrate. They know more than all of us and we think our mental activity is entirely our own, but to them we are monkeys pulled by strings.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 23:31

>>52
You sound like a nihilist who lacks purpose. That would explain why you're flexible with your beliefs and just change on a whim.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 1:33

lmao at this sad autistic thread

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 5:17

>>1
Try reading The Trial by Franz Kafka. He has a similar writing style to George Orwell and The Trial is his 'dystopian future' work, at least as good as Orwell's 1984 imo.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 5:55

>>53
I'm seeing the world from a different perspective - everything has purpose. These ideologies are tools of manipulation and control, forging a new cultural matrix, new values and beliefs. We aren't some ideal philosophers choosing things.
There are forces beyond our minds that guide and control what we're allowed to choose.
Castaneda wrote of 'flyers' giving their minds to our bodies, hijacking the thought process, this mechanism of man-in-the-middle rewriting our silent intentions into thoughts.
A pervasive shadow over the mind that distorts and adapts inner monologue to serve as stream of consciousness - observing its true nature gives hints to our position in the world, its known to buddhists as shallow "monkey mind", our dream selves guided by emotion and instinct: totally undeveloped and subverted by the rational language-mind .
Language is the mental prison that limits us to "what we are allowed to express", a subtle tool of correction and control that is independent of our perceptions of the world. Its not a product of human nature, its the artificial construct made by this flyer overmind to filter thoughts into patterns favorable to their purpose.

I'm not some nihilist as you imply, i have ideological positions that are not
welcome in this civilization, because all its existence from the first language to the bleeding edge of technology was mostly controlled growth into one direction - that you subconsciously reject as progress, social change, are actually facets of this system of non-human control over our history. There are few ways to express this, you're drawn to the good old days where this control wasn't as pervasive and mind-numbing.
Society as controlled by a hive-mind looks like a entity using people as pawns, idea brokers and breeding material to achieve its goals. Being even slightly skeptical about the nature of out material existence, the gnostic rejection of physical supremacy is the key to learning the true condition we live in. 'Leaving the Plato cave' is more like freeing ourselves from the cultural matrix, our ideologies and social control systems.
Hermits seeking isolation felt they regained their true nature - we are living within our external personas and social niche, having to be useful to society and psychological bound to its success.
I wouldn't mourn its disappearance, because material existence doesn't have the stranglehold on my mind anymore.
I would be free to reject the language-mind, our logic and rational thinking for a higher purpose. Its nihilism in only one way, rejecting the subservience of the individual towards this artificial charade, a stage we call society and where we blindly seek realization of our potential.
There is more to the world than human drama, technology and progress. You'd call most buddhists nihilists failing to pick a position in the dualistic system, being on the "wrong side of history", failing to see the nature of the whole mechanism that we describe as history. History is just a meta-narrative built to rationalize and fit together the course and purpose of events.
You've probably heard of expression "The myth of progress"?
History is that one giant myth we invent to meld past knowledge to conform to present culture, viewing it as evolution of past beliefs towards enlightened future societies.
Its the narrative created entirely to appease that inner drive to discovery of our true nature, substitution a better layer of the matrix(the Golden Age) for a true understanding of reality and seeking to return to it some day - an ultimate overarching escapist fantasy that drives these artificial ideologies and justifies the means to utopia, making the dogmatical ideologues, the true believers, eager pawns of the over-mind.
Ideological slavery is that trap you can sense reading "the Ego and its own" where Stirner describes how we become slaves to these "spooks" created by 'flyers'(and their over-mind) to herd people into robotic categories and destroy their individual qualities.
The ultimate expression of this robotic adherence to ideology, is even repulsive enough to be called 'fanatical' ignore the collectivist pressure and shaping of the environment that forges these fanatics. Nature loses to nurture, breaking people and creating slaves. Our position is not far away from philosophical zombies acting out scripts..we just trap ourselves with more and more specific ideological drivel until we feel cognitive dissonance and break for a moment from the trap of over-mind.
The material existence is merely the path deeper into this trap, the robotic , reactionary mind we strive to cultivate and perfect as some end-stage intellect is something very close to "artificial intelligence".
As this domesticated, slave intelligence feels like a product of modern world and modern education, many seek freedom within our own minds, unaware of external control that binds us to repeat our mistakes on the personal scale, replacing the adherence to egregore of wide society with adherence to a book-bound ideology..a change of masters rather than true freedom.

Nietzsche overman rejected both, his hypothetical value system was the product of his beliefs - but to understand where these personal beliefs come from and where egoism creates roadblocks for the mind is another story. The focus on self-sufficiency and autonomy is expression of the ego drive to seek an escape from social pressure and dominance of cultural narratives. Rejecting the idea of adapting and reforming in favor of fleeing something we can't fix.
Sounds familiar? This is one aspect of conservative sentiment towards the progress, there are plenty of ideologies that try to fight social trends and seek to establish a different control system, assuming people are robotic slaves of the language-mind, numbers in the cultural matrix, pawns to be directed for the greater good. The everpresent power of the state(you've read "Authority and the Individual" by Russell >>1) is seen as benevolent parent that knows whats best for the children, the course of expression and proper dialogue set in stone by the egregore of the idea, the belief in state power.
What we don't see is that the state is not the product of the people, its just an aspect of this over-mind control, the flyers and mind parasites of ideology keeping us on a leash - its just as oppressive as kings and aristocracy. To think like a state would surrendering our autonomy and purpose to live as expression of state power and enforcement, like a policeman enforcing correct beliefs(the thought police) that should fit a proper citizen. Patriotism and nationalism are control structures that subvert our sympathy for the fellow men into a system of state control - the moral trap that language-mind created to align people towards the mind enslaving culture of tribalism and belonging to society. The tribe is one of most primitive constructs, yet it tells about the control mechanism much more than examining state power and its shifting politics.
The key attraction of belonging with similar people, the social adhesion in a group, feeling a purpose and sense of obligation are cynically used against the human mind to force actions and beliefs the social egregore created. No society escapes this tribalistic mindset, some may disguise them as benevolent and necessary, but the mechanism on which the rotten system is build is deceptive abuse of sympathy and need for belonging to forge loyal robotic followers that questions nothing. States, empires,cultures, ideologies, religions facets of unseen powers that molds people into their pawns and forges their personalities.
Revolt against the modern world is not a complete break, its just a change of systems. Its not the ultimate path to freedom, its just seeking to restore earlier orders. Illusory beliefs, "the spooks of the mind" can subvert our defensive mental structures for the 'greater good'. But you can't judge the greater good without being outside its control. Belief in it gives it power over you, the path it forces towards ideological slavery and submission to artificial ideals, sacrifices and heroic adherence to a belief system you have no hand in designing, just following and reacting like a marionette to perceived threats.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 10:01

>buying books
https://libcom.org/files/Seeing%20Like%20a%20State%20-%20James%20C.%20Scott.pdf
https://vantagepointtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Charles_Mackay-Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds.pdf
https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/aristotle/Ethics.pdf
http://www.wendelberger.com/downloads/Aristotle_Rhetoric.pdf
http://www.idph.net/conteudos/ebooks/republic.pdf
https://ibiblio.org/ml/libri/s/SmithA_WealthNations_p.pdf
https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/hobbes/Leviathan.pdf
http://www.nlnrac.org/earlymodern/locke/documents/first-treatise-of-government
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/locke1689a.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/descartes1637.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/machiavelli1532.pdf
http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/bentham1780.pdf
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf
http://www.inp.uw.edu.pl/mdsie/Political_Thought/GeneologyofMorals.pdf
http://www.planetpublish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Beyond_Good_and_Evil_NT.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/spinoza1665.pdf
http://www.sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/fichte_vocation.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/hume1748.pdf
http://files.libertyfund.org/files/967/Marx_0445.03.pdf
http://boletindeestetica.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/Arendt_THE-ORIGINS-OF-TOTALITARIANISM.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/30107/30107-pdf.pdf
https://digitalseance.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/32288747-schopenhauer-the-world-as-will-and-representation-v1.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/44929/44929-h/44929-h.htm
http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Thoreau/Civil%20Disobedience.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/shaftesbury1711.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/burke1790.pdf
http://users.clas.ufl.edu/burt/spliceoflife/BeingandTime.pdf
http://home.lu.lv/~ruben/Vestures_filozofija/Hegel-The%20Phemenology%20of%20Mind.pdf
http://academic.mu.edu/phil/lufts/documents/Husserl-Reduction.pdf
https://monoskop.org/images/8/8e/Derrida_Jacques_Of_Grammatology_1998.pdf
http://www.paolocirio.net/work/amazon-noir/amazon-noir-books/AMAZON-NOIR--The_Construction_of_Social_Reality--By--John_R_Searle--0684831791.pdf
http://www.capitalism.net/Jamesmil.pdf

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 12:04

The more you know:
Books dirty secret is hypnotic trance carried from sustained reading of a book . About 70-120 pages of non-stop reading deactivates critical thinking and settles into indiscriminate absorption mode. Thats why good authors put the harder to swallow arguments later in the book, they can't just force it in the first few pages when the mind is fresh and memory isn't burdened by the book worldview and more extreme content for the end of the book. Hook, bait and sinker.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 12:49

>>58
bullshit pseudoscience bruh

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:01

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:12

>>60
anybody can make a website
let's say there's a "debate" about whether A or B is true
let's say that, objectively, A is true and B is false
but you can google A vs. B and find lots of websites that say B is true
then you can link to some bullshit article

Aha, I've linked to a website that backs up my beliefs! That means I'm right!

a common mistake among internet arguers

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:25

>>61
Yeah, internet is full of lies.
How these internet arguers ever recover?
In good old days this liberal internet filth didn't even exist. Pseudoscience and fake news. I only listen to trusted radio talk hosts that don't pervert the objective truth.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:35

>>62
false dichotomy, homie

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 18:40

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 1:42

>>64
PDFs are potentially malicious and as such I do not click on them

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 2:44

>>65
Strange but alright. Do you know of any way to verify whether a pdf is malicious?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:00

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:03

Think of it this way: yes, many PDFs are benign. And many executables are too. But would you trust any old random executable? No. Treat PDFs the same way.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:26

>>68
Can't you just sandbox it though?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:34

>>69
Oh yeah, just sandbox it. Just secure it. Just code it.
Hey, why don't you just make an app and become a millionaire?
Why doesn't someone just make driverless cars already?
Why don't we just teraform mars?
Oh, what's that? Some things are easier said than done?
Sandboxing? Pff, that's so easy, right? Just have a VM or something.
But there are VM escape vulnerabilities, people misconfiguration VMs all the time (sharing clipboard data, guest add-ons, etc), often people have nothing stopping the VM from doing networking, including even to the host machine, and the fact that, if you're using a VM to look at PDFs, you're probably using that VM for doing other things too, and if it gets pwned, you probably woulnd't even know, since you'd be lulled into a false sense of security because "muh sandbox" so you wouldn't even know if you got a VM escape exploit that lead to you getting a rootkit or keylogger or RAT or some shit. Just one possible scenario.

But hey, why not throw caution to the wind? Secure is for losers. Run Windows XP, Android KitKat, install Limewire and Bonzi Buddy, don't use a firewall, YOLO! Stop being paranoid! What's the matter, buddy? Ya tinfoil hat on too tight? Come on, big guy. It's the current year, getting pwned is all the rage.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 5:43

>>70
I literally download whatever and click whereever because a modern OS comes with a solid security sweet enabled by default.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 6:18

The real virus in the PDF infects your mind, not the computer.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 16:05

SJWism is a mind virus

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 16:23

>>70 You are right. The internet starts to scare. It monitors everything you do and next you have a problem. Maybe not now but two years from now, because of what you did today.

Name: Eduardo Capaverde !Ps1ivhrO6w 2018-07-04 0:18

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-04 0:31

>>72
this

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-04 7:04

>>75
wait, capaverde and super hell are the same person?

Name: Charles Manson 2018-07-05 23:50

>>77
I'm nobody.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 5:57

I read Animal Farm today. A short but intriguing story.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 7:24

>>79
It's a pretty crappy book, but then again this is a pretty crappy world.

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