Name: Anonymous 2018-07-04 11:30
Inspired by story of growth of Mastodon network triggered by Twitter banning Japanese users for posting lolicon.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17453944
The cultural difference is that the West has built its moral system based on the concept of "Vice and Virtue" which judges an abstract level of morality - guilt-centric morality that shapes the culture, disconnected from actual situation("Spirit of the Law"), while East Asian moral systems are more of a legalistic kind("The Letter of the Law") where moral transgressions are not automatically crimes and are judged as their actual effect(shame-based morality).
The whole idea is the Lolicon is fictional and doesn't represent an actual crime, only a moral transgression is accepted by the system where "The Letter of the Law" prevails, but in the more abstract terms of "The Spirit of the Law" a moral transgression becomes incitement, promotion and normalization of crime, declared a vice and prohibited.
From the point of view where "Spirit of the Law" prevails, they are not legislating morality - they are enforcing a tougher, more complete interpretation of the law.
Conversely the opposite point of view "By the Letter of the Law" they apply the law only where its needed and allowing space for free expression and freedoms not explicitly prohibited.
America is hybrid case of both systems competing for legal power: The pro-liberty "The Letter of the Law" side is aligned with freedom of speech and personal liberties(formerly focused by the left activists, civil rights and press freedom), while pro-morality(SJWs) side advocate for broadest interpretation of "Spirit of the Law" that converts moral transgressions into crimes(as religious right was campaigning in the past, such as Prohibition of alcohol).
Its an inversion of political beliefs that shows evolution of the left infused with authoritarian conservative values of the past reworked to serve left-wing politics and the right adapting left-libertarian and far-left revolutionary ideologies to serve right-wing politics.
This is far more subtle than republicans and democrats switching platform on the matter of civil rights: the adaptation to enemy political methods and models is like a diffusion of ideas slowly reforming the two camps to be in effect a mirror of their past enemies. This also occurs in Japan, Korea and China, where morality systems are pressured to conform to the western model of law, that places the "Spirit of the Law" first. Its is a more complex and interpretation-heavy system that makes many doubt its effectiveness vs actual crime(using Western crime as example).
Ironically the East Asian society is bound by many informal/moral laws that restrict free expression severely, ingrained in etiquette and behaviour codes that would place it in the "Spirit of the Law" camp if not for them being cultural, rather than prescriptive morality that comes with religion(that of course still exists, but East Asian is much more secular than the West).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17453944
The cultural difference is that the West has built its moral system based on the concept of "Vice and Virtue" which judges an abstract level of morality - guilt-centric morality that shapes the culture, disconnected from actual situation("Spirit of the Law"), while East Asian moral systems are more of a legalistic kind("The Letter of the Law") where moral transgressions are not automatically crimes and are judged as their actual effect(shame-based morality).
The whole idea is the Lolicon is fictional and doesn't represent an actual crime, only a moral transgression is accepted by the system where "The Letter of the Law" prevails, but in the more abstract terms of "The Spirit of the Law" a moral transgression becomes incitement, promotion and normalization of crime, declared a vice and prohibited.
From the point of view where "Spirit of the Law" prevails, they are not legislating morality - they are enforcing a tougher, more complete interpretation of the law.
Conversely the opposite point of view "By the Letter of the Law" they apply the law only where its needed and allowing space for free expression and freedoms not explicitly prohibited.
America is hybrid case of both systems competing for legal power: The pro-liberty "The Letter of the Law" side is aligned with freedom of speech and personal liberties(formerly focused by the left activists, civil rights and press freedom), while pro-morality(SJWs) side advocate for broadest interpretation of "Spirit of the Law" that converts moral transgressions into crimes(as religious right was campaigning in the past, such as Prohibition of alcohol).
Its an inversion of political beliefs that shows evolution of the left infused with authoritarian conservative values of the past reworked to serve left-wing politics and the right adapting left-libertarian and far-left revolutionary ideologies to serve right-wing politics.
This is far more subtle than republicans and democrats switching platform on the matter of civil rights: the adaptation to enemy political methods and models is like a diffusion of ideas slowly reforming the two camps to be in effect a mirror of their past enemies. This also occurs in Japan, Korea and China, where morality systems are pressured to conform to the western model of law, that places the "Spirit of the Law" first. Its is a more complex and interpretation-heavy system that makes many doubt its effectiveness vs actual crime(using Western crime as example).
Ironically the East Asian society is bound by many informal/moral laws that restrict free expression severely, ingrained in etiquette and behaviour codes that would place it in the "Spirit of the Law" camp if not for them being cultural, rather than prescriptive morality that comes with religion(that of course still exists, but East Asian is much more secular than the West).