Re: Which is the best programming language to get start? Depends, on a lot of factors. I was working as a security researcher/ethical hacker. So my first language was Python. Worked for me. On the other hand, I would have failed miserably if web designing was my field and I learned Pythin instead.
>>176 SBCL takes longer than Java, as much as I hate. And Scheme is not on the benchmark. I doubt it would fare better than Haskell. You are welcome to make your own Benchmark with Scheme included. See if you can beat Haskell, ATS, and C. Plus, you can consider this bias, since the tool they uses for the diagnostics is on a JVM in Java: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/play.php
>>177 Which Derek are you making fun of, Derek Sivers? Or the jewtube Derek Banas?
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Anonymous2013-09-18 23:00
>>178 Will you please stop quoting the benchmarks game? It really doesn't help your credibility. The ``vroom vroom'' a programming language implementation may give you does not compensate for time wasted or extra complexity or loss in security. I'd rather have all my programs run twice slower if doing so allows me to write it in an expressive and safe language implementation.
Also the JVM is fucking horrid.
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Anonymous2013-09-18 23:10
If you want to start learning computer programming start with a good book or tutorial on programming.
>>184 That's what the Sussman said, we he was confronted, confirming he was a huge lazy faggot with no experience in reverse engineering for a few libraries on some toys he wanted the kids to play with.
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Anonymous2013-09-19 2:49
I love python, but i disagree, php is easier, though not sure is that a good thing or not... I think for many people it would be too hard to understand even basic concepts, e.g. how import (in python) works...
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Anonymous2013-09-19 7:43
PHP is trash for beginning as a web developer. DO NOT LEARN ON IT. Go for Python or Ruby. Learn SQL and JS on the side. Pickup HTML and CSS afterwards.
>>186-187 This is getting out of hand, please stop doing that.
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Anonymous2013-09-19 11:59
>>187 Python and Ruby are TRASH for beginning as a web developer. DO NOT LEARN THEM. Go for Java and ASP. Learn MariaDB and JS on the side. Pickup HTML and CSS afterwards.
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Anonymous2013-09-19 18:07
All of the languages here are TRASH. Use le JS XDDD
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Anonymous2013-09-19 19:10
Wow...C as the first language? That is kind of tough...C is like New York, "If You Can Make It There, You'll Make It Anywhere"...If you can code well in C then you can code anything, so take the plunge if you will, but I think that you might want a different first language.
But as others have said, it largely depends on your reason for coding...
>>192 I wouldn't get bogged down in terminology. There are people who prefer to focus on the solution of problems and others who prefer the act of writing code; these are programmers and coders respectively. Programmers are probably more useful to everyone else, but it's probably best that you be happy.
C would be a noble venture, and I suggest you try it if it interests you. If you fail, just realize that you dove in the deep end without being able to swim. However you will, if you have sufficient willpower, succeed eventually. When you have become reasonably competent in C, you can move to Python et al from time to time for the sake of convenience.
>>194 > I wouldn't get bogged down in terminology. There are people who prefer to focus on the solution of problems and others who prefer the act of writing code; these are programmers and coders respectively.
Have you read your Tao of Programming today?
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Anonymous2013-09-21 23:16
I would say start with visual basic then move to vb.net asp.net is a derivitive ov visual basicn. It is pretty easy to learn. In couple of weeks you can literaly design application using twitter API and display all kind of data. Just my 2 cents