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Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 1:38

Is there such a thing as a genius programmer? I wonder what would make somebody qualify as one. Programming a fully functional and usable OS on your own that outclasses the BSDs and linux within a short time?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 2:01

Steve Jobs - wrote pretty basic shit but marketed the hell out of it. The ultimate genius.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 4:31

>>1
A person who innovates new programs or methods? Well yeah! My dad worked as a HIPAA consultant, and built many systems from the ground up. He even worked on MUMPS once, hated it after SQL was made.

I am sure there are other fields in the F.L.O.S.S. world who do the same.

Also, check out the field of RTOS, that's were the money is coming in now from.

Name: Google Search 2013-09-18 8:30

>>3
consultant
Did you mean: dazzler?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 10:28

Wouldn't a ``genius programmer'' just be a genius who is also a programmer?

Just like a Rock Star Developer is actually just a developer with a band gig on the side?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 13:19

>>1
Given that you can see different levels of skill among programmers, you can then arbitrarily take the top 2% of them (that number is also arbitrary, but the precedent is that it's what mensa uses for what that's worth) and say "these are geniuses (genii?)." Of course, you can also argue about semantics or specifics forever if you prefer, but the same way you can designate a rare positive event as a miracle, you can designate an unusually good programmer as a genius.

Of course if you want to evaluate a specific individual as genius or non-genius you have a harder problem. I would say the ability to solve problems others cannot is a good indicator; speed might be as well, although that's less clear. If you solve some problem previously thought impossible, and it takes you a really long time to do it (or to do anything), most people will probably call you a genius anyway. But not a rock star.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 14:03

>>6
The /bbs/ way of spelling it is ``genious''.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 14:05

>>6
genii?
I think `geniuses' is more correct. Normally I'm all in favor of sticking to the correct mother-language pluralization of nouns, but if you want to do that for `genius', surely there is some sort of obligation to stick to the mother-language meaning of the word, is there not? And my OLD gives:

genius ~ii, m. [GIGNO; cf. OHG chunni, AS. cynn]
1 The male spirit of a gens existing during his lifetime in the head of the family, and subsequently in the divine or spiritual part of each individual. b the personification of one's natural appetities. c (applied by a parasite to his patron). d (ancient definitions, etc.).
...
2 (attributed to gods). b the genius of an emperor, regarded as an object of worship.
...
3 (attributed to places, corporations, and other things); (in writings) talent, inspiration
...

(Where I've not included the citations because they're a pain in the neck to type and nobody really cares anyway.) So if we were to stick directly to that definition, only 3 would really come close to our modern usage of the word, and it would be more of a noun anyway, so that we could talk about Carmack's genius, or possibly of his genii, but to call him a genius wouldn't make any sense.

On a side note, we could then discuss the genius loci* of a particular setting, or perhaps community, or perhaps even of a particular machine, in which case ``conjur[ing] the spirits of the computer with our spells'' could be seen to not only invoke desired behavior through a program, but to invoke a state of inspiration or enlightenment through programming.

* While I'm waxing eloquent, http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/78/

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 14:23

genius ~ii, m. [GIGNO; cf. OHG chunni, AS. cynn]
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It fucking says to use genii for plural, like in apparati, using the Latin declensions. Look in particularly the Origin:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/genius?q=genius

Which is what >>3 was joking about, a guardian spirit in programs.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 15:30

>>9

Care to rephrase that? >>3 said nothing about guardian spirits at all, and you seem to have missed the entire point of >>8.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 20:45

>>6
rock star programmer
Who the fuck comes up with this shit?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:01

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:05

>>12

I can't imagine 2006 was the earliest use of that phrase. Was it?

Name: 12 2013-09-18 21:09

>>13
I assume it would be older, something coming from a newsgroup, not a java dev. Does someone have an archive of old newsgroups we can search?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:20

>>11,13
looking at google's archive, it seems it did tread in 2006 on comp.lang.java.programmer. Taking a closer look. There's like 21k messages.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:32

I found one on comp.lang.java.gui, still 2006, but this .NET ones seems older:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Rockstar$20Programmer$20-Way$20OT|sort:date/dot-net-discussions/WbuZM2kUVK0/PSjDTHrGBwIJ

lurking for more

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:39

I am not so sure what to make of this 1996 post, if there was even a hint that rock star programmer was a meme then:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/Rockstar$20Programmer$20-Way$20OT|sort:date/alt.computer.consultants.ads/rR3cdheGaPQ/KDFNqVWB16wJ

Name: rockstargames.com 2013-09-18 21:44

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 21:50

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-18 22:32

>>19
Thanks, I am tired. I guess that was indeed the first time it was used. If you like, make a wikipedia article about it. People might enjoy it.

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