/prog/ - LISP (Part I) — Tinychan BBS

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 10:33

Is Lisp still used for anything nowadays?

Reddit has long replaced it with Pylons and Lisp is easily replaceable with Haskell when it comes to machine learning and other areas with lots of use of functional programming.

As far as I know generic programming is mostly done in Sepples, Java, etc. because everyone wants to start CODAN GAYMES AND APPS FOR CRAPPLE GAYPHONE and SAMSHIT LAGDROID.

Lisp has no place in bit-level hackery and C and ASM dominates that thing.

I've heard of Lisp used for a lot of serving web content but even Python, Ruby and JS is are popular among startups.

If we want every programmer to achieve Satori brought by Lisp, we should really make more stuff using Lisp. The worth of a language is not measured by what it can do, but what it's programmers make the most of it.

How about we start porting Tox to Lisp

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 11:28

Clojure is used somewhat

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 11:40

I wonder what powers the AI on Japan's robots..

Name: IHBT 2013-09-20 11:49

Hacker News still uses Arc. Some Yahoo sites still uses Lisp. Companies in embedded devices still use Lisp to automate tasks. It still a great introductory language to actually teach computer since with.

Lisp also alleviates the task of writing ASM with actual abstracts:
http://blogs.cisco.com/tag/lisp-esm/
http://scheme2006.cs.uchicago.edu/11-ghuloum.pdf
http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~boucherd/mslug/meetings/20041020/minutes-en.html
http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-x86-asm/
http://ahefner.livejournal.com/20528.html?nojs=1
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispSucksInAssembly
http://www.call-cc.org/

At the least you heard correctly:
http://www.cliki.net/Web
http://wiki.call-cc.org/chicken-projects/egg-index-4.html#web
http://planet.racket-lang.org/

Amen. Then start writing applications, and giving them for free.

No. We have enough tools already for communication, even securely. Please see Gnunet, FreeNet, and Tor Chat clients.
Also:
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/55284/is-lisp-still-useful-in-todays-world-which-version-is-most-used
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/794450/what-is-lisp-used-for-today-and-where-do-you-think-its-going

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 12:04

>>4

introductory language to actually teach computer since with.

Who does this? I'm pretty sure MIT killed SICP off with Python

Name: IHBT,YAT 2013-09-20 12:27

>>5
http://cs.brown.edu/courses/csci0170/
http://www.stuycs.org/courses/ml1/dw/work/work0downloadracket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIpczROAvPQ
http://facultypages.morris.umn.edu/~mcphee/
http://www.morris.umn.edu/academics/computerscience/
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/racket/pubs/
http://faculty.cs.byu.edu/~jay/home/

Although Racket seems to be the one being used mostly.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 12:34

>>6

http://cs.brown.edu/courses/csci0170/

What the fuck?

Name: IHBT,FY 2013-09-20 12:46

>>7
Go up a level, it is part of the curriculum.
http://cs.brown.edu/courses/

Can kids these days even scrape websites? Worse, read source code‽

Name: FY 2013-09-20 12:48

>>7
Here is how it looks like:
http://cs.brown.edu/courses/csci0170.html

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 19:56

>>8,9

No what I mean is what the hell is Sherlock Holmes doing there?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 20:50

Common lisp is the default language for me to use for general high level programming.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 22:21

>>11
Does it have libraries for networking, graphics and threading?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 22:53

>>12

I wish I could just interface Common Lisp or Scheme to some important libraries in C.

Name: I_AM_DONE_WITH_THEM 2013-09-20 23:54

>>12
HOLY FUCK, ARE YOU LAZY OR SOMETHING‽ >>4 already gave you the links to learn and get all you need, which included Common Lisp:
http://www.cliki.net/

>>13
And are you an idiot? OF COURSE YOU CAN, IN ALMOST ANY LANGUAGE. READ ABOVE, AND BROWSE ALL THE LINKS.

If you fucking need directions like a kid, because you do not know how to use search engines:
cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/ffi.html
www.swig.org/Doc1.3/Lisp.html
common-lisp.net/project/cffi/
www.sbcl.org/manual/#Foreign-Function-Interface

stackoverflow.com/questions/7224823/where-to-learn-how-to-practically-use-common-lisp

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-21 1:02

Too bad LISP is slow as fuck

Name: sigh 2013-09-21 3:45

>>15
http://community.schemewiki.org/?Stalin
https://engineering.purdue.edu/~qobi/software.html
http://justindomke.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-stalin-compiler/

http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/

http://people.csail.mit.edu/jaffer/CNS/interpreter-speed

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-21 9:18

>>16

Implementations that no one uses and are not even fully compliant to standards.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 8:44

Sepples is used for a lot of AI in the industry nowadays.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 11:40

Hi, /prog/. I'm planning to work on SICP for a while and I just want to ask if other Scheme dialects will suffice when working the book? MIT-Scheme is pretty shit on Windows. I'm thinking of using Chicken or Racket but would they have any issues with the book's code?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:28

>>19
SICP is just a very elaborate troll: MIT has replaced LISP with Python YEARS ago.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:42

>>19
Why are you using Windows?

>>20
Fuck off, ``faggot''

Name: HOOK&SINKER 2013-09-22 12:48

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/260685/what-is-the-best-scheme-implementation-for-working-through-sicp
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/scheme/
Can't find the old chart that shows the scheme implementations, and which work for which examples.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:59

>>21,22
Because I find all of Linux environments to be shit. They're either GTK bloat or QT ugly and ALWAYS has that Compiz SPINNAN CUBEZ effect. Not as snappy as Windows. I can't be fucked to spend 200 hours to change everything. Though, OS X would be a more comfortable UNIX environment but I don't have any computer that supports that OS. MIT-Scheme on Windows is very very shit and runs on an ugly editor that works like emaxxx.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 13:18

>>21

Have you heard of John Guttag? He teaches 6.00 with Python with his book Introduction to Computing and Programming using Python. I guess MIT curricula has degenerated into hand holding courses...

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 15:01

>>23
How the fuck can GTK be worse than Win32NULLAPI?

At least use BSD or OS X, but there's no reason to be programming in Windows unless you're some kind of Java/C# corporate drone.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 15:28

>>23
Gnome Shell has a very sober design with just a few animations where appropriate, on par with its overall style, unless you consider the shell itself to be too disrupting. But whatever, just use Racket, put #lang r5rs at the top of your buffer and you're done as far as SICP is concerned.

Name: ignorance is bliss 2013-09-22 15:52

For those asking for a Lisp Machine:
http://opencores.org/project,igor

Here are others on the Spartan-3 Board:
http://www.frank-buss.de/lispcpu/
http://www.aviduratas.de/lisp/lispmfpga/

loper-os.org is still behind lol.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 17:00

>>25
Win32NULLAPI is far better than GTK's API when it comes to GUI programming.

Win32's API is shit for practically everything else, but there's pretty much nothing that's worse than GTK's API. Glib is shit too.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:22

>>25
Anal rape is far better than waterboarding when it comes to torture.

Anal rape is shit for practically everything else, but there's pretty much nothing that's worse than waterboarding. Dunking is shit too.

Name: WISE SDK 2013-09-22 19:29

>>23,28
/me And he thinks gdi32.dll code does not come from QT.

Try SDL chump, or any of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_widget_toolkits

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:42

Did you know that Firefox's GUI is mostly done in Javascript? Why don't we just write GUIs in Javascript too

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:53

>>31
Le future of le Hacker Jews!

Name: DevHelp 2013-09-22 20:57

>>31
You mena webkit. Gecko uses cairo with GLX and GTK+ to define its XUL constructs.

>>32
It's already happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-23 8:59

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/100-common-misconceptions-about-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-second-edition-adam-bing/1115310728?ean=9785458831079#

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-23 11:32

>>34
Adam Bing is a traitor and must be shot.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-23 11:34

>>34

Publisher: No Shit Publishing

Irony.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-09 4:25

Check em

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-09 6:52

>>27
Stan is too busy with Cardano.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-09 7:45

LISP

LISP (Part I)

1 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 10:33

2 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 11:28

3 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 11:40

4 Name: IHBT 2013-09-20 11:49

5 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 12:04

6 Name: IHBT,YAT 2013-09-20 12:27

7 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 12:34

8 Name: IHBT,FY 2013-09-20 12:46

9 Name: FY 2013-09-20 12:48

10 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 19:56

11 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 20:50

12 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 22:21

13 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-20 22:53

14 Name: I_AM_DONE_WITH_THEM 2013-09-20 23:54

15 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-21 1:02

16 Name: sigh 2013-09-21 3:45

17 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-21 9:18

18 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 8:44

19 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 11:40

20 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:28

21 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:42

22 Name: HOOK&SINKER 2013-09-22 12:48

23 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 12:59

24 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 13:18

25 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 15:01

26 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 15:28

27 Name: ignorance is bliss 2013-09-22 15:52

28 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 17:00

29 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:22

30 Name: WISE SDK 2013-09-22 19:29

31 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:42

32 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-22 19:53

33 Name: DevHelp 2013-09-22 20:57

34 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-23 8:59

35 Name: Anonymous 2013-09-23 11:32

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