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let's create the future: a minimal lisp based web

Name: Anonymous 2014-05-15 12:33

A simple new web (HTTP, HTML, JS) replacement based on s-expressions and lisp. It would be useful for things like file hosting, wikipedia/wikis, BBSs, online newpapers/blogs, imageboards, youtube/mediagoblin style video sites.

Instead of XML we use s-exp for markup. It will be a very simple functional markup language that could be defined in a page or two. We will not allow it to grow and grow horribly like the W3C to the point that it's impossible to implement from scratch.

Instead of javascript we use a simple lisp language (similar to R5RS without continuations) which is interpreted with strict resource and permission bounds, so it will never do anything you do not allow it including swamping your computer down like current js JIT systems.

For servers, instead of tools similar to PHP we will use systems inspired by type-checking that are able to statically ensure that no vulnerabilities in the class of XSS/SQL injection/... exist.

1. A first draft design needs to be created.

2. It should be easy to get something up and running quite fast by writing a proxy that translates all this s-exp stuff into HTML - just for the purpose of prototyping.

3. Reference implementations from scratch - focus on low memory usage and stability (using safe languages instead of C or C++).

Name: Anonymous 2014-05-18 19:21

>>59
No matter how hard you try, there does not exist and valid solution for preventing browsers from preventing this behavior. Besides that, there are valid reasons for accepting malformed code. For example, what if the connection drops when the page is 90% transferred. Would you rather the browser display what it has and make it look as good as possible, or display an error and show nothing else.

And again, it is only markup. It is not really all that important. Being annoyed by sloppiness there is like refusing to read a text file because the line breaks aren't consistent. Annoying, yes, but is only formatting. As for the sloppy behaviors that lead to implementation specific rendering, that is irrelevant too. If the presentation was so important, then it should have been made in TEX, or a PDF, or saved as a PNG image, which have rigid standards that are complex enough that fools won't even know how to start fucking it up.

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