Name: Anonymous 2015-05-25 10:11
Can we fucking wake up here sheeple? We need a SchemeBBS. We need to restore all of prog.db in it. This regex crap the admin does is no good right now for the job.
the only way online communities can come together is under the almighty rule of a single individual / group of individuals
Rest assured I do not live in a third world country where the law is afraid of people speaking their mind politically (at least not yet). Your anti-Putin sentiments will be ``safe'' (and off-topic) on SchemeBBSTM.The problem is that child porn gets used for illegal dissent too. Provocateurs can employ child porn to anger the electorate, then point that police can't do anything, because government doesn't care about children.
Someone has to own the hardwareThe users already have hardware to access the internet and have lots of storage for text.
and be responsible for what's posted on it.Not with anonymity.
Someone, somewhere, has to have their name on a bill where money was exchanged to keep the network on and the data center employees paid and the domain name registered.No domain name is needed. A few global ip addresses will be, but not all of them need to be global. There doesn't need to be a data center. Simply locate other users when they are online and share information with them. If you can't make a post because no one else is currently online, wait until you can connect and then send. For a small community like ours, a few people with external ips would need to leave their machine on for a good portion of the day, but for a large community like reddit the network would be huge.
And yes, when someone else is paying for the hardware that runs the service you are using, they are the boss, full stop.Every user contributes to the up time of the community. They all share the cost and the responsibility. Everyone is equally the boss.
Even with many distributed models this is still the case, because things like trackers are still necessary.bittorrent is not the best example of a distributed network. In later versions, trackers were done away with and hosted in bittorrent itself.
I'm not brainwashed, I'm realistic. Your hypothetical bohemian distributed BBS network doesn't exist for one, but even if/when it does, it will never see wide adoption (see twister, posted earlier in this thread), because people, normies if you will, don't care about any of this stuff enough to figure out how to run complicated/technical software just to ensure they aren't being ``censored''.Twister is utter shit. But aside from that, ``normies'' are not using these because...oh wait...normies use bittorrent. And they use bittorrent to violate copyright, because violating copyright is illegal. A server that lets you download movies for free wont last long, but bittorrent is still around. Even after all this time, all they can do is jail the owner of a website that provides trackers (something that is already redundant now) and threaten a couple thousand teenagers with lawsuits. Meanwhile millions continue to violate copyright.
These people don't want to understand what is happening between typing in ``www.reddit.com'' and being blasted with sweet, sweet memes.If the web that they used became controlled, they would seek something different. In chinese forums and social networks the gov pays people to post and steer conversations in favor of the state. Some people aren't satisfied with this and they take the risk of using a proxy to access facebook (what an improvement...)
Not with anonymityThe poster is hidden, but the node that he posted through is available to the network, so to silence them, just take down that node or flood it with fake propagation information. The hosting node is still non-anonymous, thus still holds the risk. So, what's to stop Anon R' Lejun from trying to pull #OpPedoTakedown or #OpAntiJihaad and taking over the network by just fucking with the node operators?
a few people with external ipsUh oh I think I found the bo--
Everyone is equally the boss.Oh okay uh sure.
Twister is utter shitWhy? It has a shitty interface, but what else is so terrible about it? Isn't it a shining example of what you're talking about here? I'd like to hear a reason other than ``lol Brazil huefag'' please.
normies use bittorrentNot really. More often people ``stream'' their shitty television shows or movies or whatever from short lived normal websites that use slow-to-DMCA-takedown file hosting providers for 3 mirrors and embed them on a page with 500 ads. If bittorrent were so commonplace these sites would no longer exist.
The poster is hidden, but the node that he posted through is available to the network, so to silence them, just take down that node or flood it with fake propagation information.It's difficult to find out which node stored the information you requested for. If it were easy, freenet would be useless. It also has spam resistance provided enough of the network isn't constantly requesting the spam. Things that are interesting will take precedence over things that are not requested, and the spam will get deleted to make room for more popular things. Read the freenet paper, it's interesting.
2nd paragraphSee bittorrent. People are willing to seed. People are willing to do things if they think it's beneficial to a community.
3rd paragraphHow do you get anonymity without decentralization?
TwisterI read his paper and found the author despicable. I would rather work on a project that's been around and is well researched like freenet than something an arrogant lone developer hastily threw together without a formal design.
In November 2004, BitTorrent was responsible for 35% of all Internet traffic.[2] As of February 2013, BitTorrent was responsible for 3.35% of all worldwide bandwidth, more than half of the 6% of total bandwidth dedicated to file sharing.[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent
Then again, actual pedos tend to be too dumb for these things.Most of them are, but you might be surprised at how smart some of them are. There is very little solidarity though (except for the boyfuckers, who are pretty homogenous, but they are invariably very stupid (and gay)), and pedos tend to hate other pedos, so a coordinated spamming campaign is unlikely. But the fact of the matter remains that that one off post can send the operator to prison for several years at worst, and get all his equipment seized at best.
to read history books that haven't been redacted and see the world through an unfiltered lens.I call bullshit. Who is writing this unfiltered lens? Just what the fuck are they afraid of? Tor is pretty anonymous, yet the only ``unredacted, unfiltered'' information you see is old copies of the anarchist cookbook. This shit doesn't make any sense. Who is suppressing all this information? What can't I say about history? And just where are these writers getting this ``unfiltered'' account? Were they first hand witnesses, waiting to write about it now? If the history books are so redacted and you can get in trouble for even reading it, how is there any second-hand research? In the west, the worst that could possibly happen is the schoolbooks get slanted to fit an agenda, but it isn't as if the ``true'' books have been burned. They're right there in the library, and you can go read them all you like, and even join a forum, use your driver's license as your avatar, and talk about it all you want without ever hearing anything from the law. What activism is being suppressed? I can go chain myself to a tree or picket an abortion clinic all I want. No one is bothering me.
Who is suppressing all this information?China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, etc. They just can't handle you being able to look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 . Even Russia is willing to block github because of ``suicide propaganda''. UK has ip bans to stop piracy, but we'll see what else they use it for in the near future. You aren't going to understand the purpose of this until you abandon your perspective that's fixed within a civilized country that respects these basic rights to information. And even with that, your safe havens may not last forever.
In the west,There is a world outside the west you know.
Now, you're probably thinking that I'm viewing this from a first-world, liberal democracy point of view.Yes, and you are being deliberately obtuse to avoid confronting the intended purpose of freenet, tor, etc, and the benefit it serves.
3) I'm not wasting my resources to help sandniggers learn that the local warlord Mohamed Al Ahmed Abdula is abusing them. If they haven't figured that out by now, then they never fucking will.Everyone knows, but still facts are still useful. They deserve to be able to learn about the world outside of a propaganda bubble. If you don't want to help them that's fine. But if you get to call me a pedo-enabler I get to call you a third-world-oppression-enabler.
The internet organization of Arab Spring took place on social media because people were able to identify their real life friendsMany of whom were arrested and tortured.
All along I've kept it to myself, because being Chinese I felt I shouldn't bad-mouth the Chinese. But I can't help thinking sometimes -- and I might as well say it -- you, the Chinese, you are not worth my struggle! You are not worth my sacrifice!
What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students?
"And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action....
Interviewer: "Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?
Chai Ling: "No."
Interviewer: "Why?"
Chai Ling: "Because my situation is different. My name is on the government's blacklist. I'm not going to be destroyed by this government. I want to live. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. I don't know if people will say I'm selfish. I believe that people have to continue the work I have started. A democracy movement can't succeed with only one person. I hope you don't report what I've just said for the time being, okay?"
China, North Korea, Iran, Cuba[, and Russia]China and Russia already watch everything at the ISP level. I don't know about China, but Russian ISP even have to pay for the privilege of filtering their internet. Are you planning on this distributed BBS being transferred in the unused bits of a fake requests (getting 0.3Kbps)? If not, then it will be just be protocol filtered. In NK, only party members have access to things like computers and food, and only Kim Jong Un himself has unfiltered access to the internet anyway. This is a country where the government only allows the sell of radios that can only receive preset frequencies and sends anyone who modifies them to the camps where children fight over who gets to eat the corn kernels they find in cow shit. Yeah, real fucking good this is going to do them. Iran shuts the internet off when they feel like it, and Cuba trades data with the Sneakernet, which is more distributed and trustworthy than anything you can come up with.
There is a world outside the west you know.As I said, I do not care about them. It will not help them. The internet cannot fight a police state. Try all you want, but you'll just end up with something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haystack_%28software%29 .
Yes, and you are being deliberately obtuse to avoid confronting the intended purpose of freenet, tor, etc, and the benefit it serves.They are good for distributing controversial content, no doubt about that. But I won't delude myself into thinking that changing the world is what they're actually used for.
If you don't want to help them that's fine. But if you get to call me a pedo-enabler I get to call you a third-world-oppression-enabler.I'm saying that it won't help them. I'm not concerned about enabling pedos, only saying that it will make everyone not want to operate a node. And call me a 3rd world oppression enabler all you want. I freely admitted that I don't care to helping them. More likely than not, they'll just install an even more brutal tyranny in place.
Many of whom were arrested and tortured.To make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. Yes, when there is no avenue left for challenging the powers that be except violence, then violence it will have to be. Revolutions are bloody. There will be lots of death and torture before all is said and done. Did you think that Kim Jong was going to fire up FireFox, navigate to the board, and suddenly have a change of heart? Don't be stupid. They only way to get the crown off a king's head is to cut it off.
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