Do it [SchemeBBS]

Can we fucking wake up here sheeple? We need a SchemeBBS. We need to restore all of prog.db in it. This regex crap the admin does is no good right now for the job.

>>80
The actual code that deals with the database will be decoupled from the code that will be exposed to scheme, so feel free to write your own engine. I'm going to use Redis, though.

I think first order of things should be to write something that can replace the current progrider, but has a more "decentralized" backend.

So it could in theory connect to (trusted) hosts in some way and form one mega-chan. people need to be convinced of the possibility (and awesomeness) of this reality, that is the first part.

we'll need a good data model: what is the structure of the messages that will flow around in this mega chan. I propose that there are two messages: one used to create an entity type, and one to create entities. that is the second part.

then, once we have this foundation in place we can (ourselves) create structures on top of this; with clients we write ourselves to interact with the structures of our choosing, but everything is anonymously hosted "in the mega chan".

if we get that running; we write HTML5 crap frontends for it so bigger chans can join.

>>82
Unless you can contribute code, I'm simply not smart enough to make anything distributed like you're describing. Don't you have your own thread for this? I'm talking about http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1433248364, you may want to post in that thread if it wasn't you to begin with.

P.S. I'm not trying to ``replace'' anything, and I also don't have any deep-seated emotional issues with censorship or security on the Internet--you aren't entitled to say whatever you want on someone else's website IMO. But feel free to do whatever you want with the code that has been posted.

yeah 82 has some cool ideas but they don't fit in schemebbs prject which is just a easy thing for fun - would love to see that happen maybe after this?

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>>82

so bigger chans can join.

no

>>86
Check my rule 88

>>83
>>84
Yes that other thread was me, I was picking up on >>56. I can contribute code for days; but wish to see more involvement first.

For the record; I do have deep seated emotional issues w.r.t. privacy and censorship.

We're losing the war against the SJW. They took Tumblr, 4chan and Reddit already. I'm not going to say those places where nice to begin with, but if we want a better net for our children we better start building it (preferably in such a way as to take away power from the admins/moderators/hosts and giving it to the peeple).

>>87
Noted and agreed, I got ahead of myself there.

>>89

if we want a better net for our children we better start building it (preferably in such a way as to take away power from the admins/moderators/hosts and giving it to the peeple).

implying that anyone is going to breed with me. other than that yeah I agree.

i say we install richard /g/entine on their asses

sorry forgot my name, it's alex jones, not alan jones. must be the dangerous chemicals theyre putting in my water that confused me rofl

>>92
You should learn capitalization and punctuation before ever posting here again, Alex Jones.

>>93
*signsu p for your weekly MAGAZINE*

>>93
you think you're a big shot because you have a magazine?

well I HAVE A FUCKING RADIO SHOW

>>89

war against the SJW

I care so little about this it's not even funny.

They took Tumblr, 4chan and Reddit ... if we want a better net for our children we better start building it (preferably in such a way as to take away power from the admins/moderators/hosts

See, the thing is, if you've been banned from those websites before, I don't see how it's my problem. Those are other people's websites and you aren't entitled to do whatever you want on them. You, being on /prog/, should know better than to expect anything other than a lack of privacy and rampant censorship on sites like that.

And it's good that you want to make your own thing, that's what you should do. The problem being, there's such a blurry line between ``harmless'' speech that would be considered taboo on those other sites, and pretty much blatant evil that is also considered illegal in most civilized countries (child porn for example) that moderation is simply required.

I for one will be moderating my hosted copy of SchemeBBS, and I don't see any way around this. Because, as soon as word gets out that there exists a public, mostly anonymous, unmoderated forum, it becomes absolutely flooded with awful people--and you know exactly what I'm talking about--this does not mean you, Jews-are-evil-and-taking-over-the-world-kun.

>>96

and pretty much blatant evil that is also considered illegal in most civilized countries (child porn for example) that moderation is simply required

Wait a few years and it'll be a crime to question the ruling party or to talk about the dark time when there were elections.

>>96

blatant evil that is also considered illegal

Thoughts cannot be evil. Thoughts cannot be considered illegal. Read 1984 to learn more.

>>96
Also, moderation is shit. The moderator is no better than the ones he moderates, no less evil, in fact often moreso, because his vileness is amplified by the power he possesses.

>>97
I like how you're implying that child pornography isn't evil.

>>98
Thinking about child porn is not illegal. Distributing it is. That's what I'm talking about. As soon as someone posts links to some other hidden service where you can get said items, the owner of the site is responsible. I'm not saying this is how things should be, it's just how it is. I'm sorry, but if you want to post CP maybe you should host this yourself.

>>99

moderation is shit

Don't care, again, make your own. Do you think /prog/ is unmoderated?

>>100
Not interested in that at all, but one day things you are interested in may be regarded the same and you would wish you had software that gave you plausibly deniability.

*plausible* fuck.

>>99
Propose an alternative then. Say someone posts child porn like >>100 describes, or something else--they negotiate a hit, or sell meth. What happens now? Does society not deserve justice? How do we achieve that justice? Do you think people should be able to say whatever they want without fear of consequence? Things just don't work like this in the real world. Speech (not ``thought'') does not exist in a vacuum. There is no possible idyllic free speech society without giving up the order of law. You'll figure this out after you've spent some time outside of college, I promise. I used to be like you.

>>102
not really

>>82
Have you seen twister? http://twister.net.co/ I'd say you should just fork this if it wasn't for the boost C++ cancer that the bitcoin libraries bring

>>103
God forbid homosexuals will be able confide in each other electronically in iran and chinese people will be able to read about falun gong. If this could happen the global fabric of society would disintegrate into nothing and we'd all perish in the ensuing chaos.

>>104
If you don't care about free speech then why are you talking?

>>105
It's written by a Brazilian, so I refuse to touch it.

Don't mind me. chinese DDOS incoming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

>>106
You didn't propose an alternative! Or refute any of my extremely valid points. Comparing clearly immoral activity that is universally regarded to harm society to political censorship is exactly the argument a college sophomore would make--not only is it misguided, but it leads nowhere. I sincerely want to know what you think should happen if someone posts child porn on your sacred distributed free-speech net.

>>107
You already have all the answers you could want by looking at freenet and one imperfect alternative is freenet. The answer is, not much, no one actually cares about CP. It makes the FBI look good if they can drag a pedo in cuffs in front of newspaper cameras, so they'll do it if the 1337 haxors they have on staff can pull it off, but NSA doesn't give a shit because pervs masturbating to pictures doesn't pose a threat to public safety. The other example, which is much more compelling, is terrorists communicating remotely. But what the fuck are you going to do about that? Ban encryption? It's not an option if you want to retain an economy. Even if you ban mediums like tor and freenet they'll just use other ways to communicate.

>>107
Oh I forgot. Shut up! You don't care about free speech, so just pretend there's an entity that doesn't want you to talk so you can save me the trouble of listening to you.

Comparing clearly immoral activity that is universally regarded to harm society to political censorship is exactly the argument a college sophomore would make--not only is it misguided, but it leads nowhere.

Then tell me, how do you protect against political censorship while retaining the ability to ban immoral activity? You can't. A backdoor that allows control over immoral activity will be used for political censorship. You can't have both, so you have to decide which is more important.

implying immoral activity harms society

- child porn is "immoral"
- medicine requires child porn to study child anatomy
- medicine is "immoral"

- human genome contains information to produce child porn
- human genome is "immoral"

>>108,109
Who said I didn't care about free speech? I care about covering my own ass under the laws of the country I live in, which is an entirely different thing altogether. You're the one conflating moderation with muh first amendment. Who said I had an answer to the problem free speech presents, either? I don't. But claiming that there isn't a fundamental problem with complete, balls-to-the-wall, say whatever you want with no consequences ``speech'', is childish. You can gloss over CP, drugs, organized crime all you want, it doesn't help your case at all.

>>110
I never said it was possible, or that I wanted to ``protect against political censorship'' on a toy project programming BBS. Obviously, it is more important that I am not arrested, than you getting to have whatever fuzzy feeling you get when you know (?) you're not being moderated (?? lol).

>>111

medicine requires child porn
human genome contains information to produce X

You're not going to troll me, buddy!

Still no one has proposed an alternative to the completely obvious problem that moderation solves. Please stop trying to convince me that there isn't a problem and come up with a way to fix it that doesn't put the ``power'' of DELETE POST FROM WEBSIGHT completely in the sinister, evil hands of little old me, the part-time hobbyist trying to keep illegal shit off of his box.

Is practical discussion so much to ask for? I'm not going to participate in any more of these debates straight out of junior college Intro to Philosophy. We are not going to launch a political movement out of an online bulletin board that uses s-expressions.

>>111
echo 'doze tripz!!' | sha1sum

And another thing >>108, I assume when you referenced freenet twice, you mean to get right behind this excellent quote from their website:

https://freenetproject.org/faq.html#childporn

While most people wish that child pornography and terrorism did not exist, humanity should not be deprived of their freedom to communicate just because of how a very small number of people might use that freedom.

Of course! Deleting illegal content completely strips everyone of their rights--how could I have been so stupid? This is a completely sane argument--Someone should send this FAQ to all the world leaders!

How did people go from thinking that it is everyone's responsibility to host their speech? If it's so fucking important, why don't they host this uncensorable soon-to-be child porn network? Why is anyone getting outraged over this? You free speech does not trump the provider's freedom of association. Stormfront is not morally obligated to allow niggers to post there. Reddit is not being unethical when they delete boards with inane, asinine users. It is not an injustice when I get hit with an ``idiot pedophile'' 4chan ban for shitposting on the jay.

Now, that said: there is plenty of room on the internet for many types of sites. Some can be unmoderated wastelands that fill up quickly with cretins, and some can be concentration camps watched by Nazi moderators and inhabited by brownnosers with Stockholm Syndrome.
>>114

Of course! Deleting illegal content completely strips everyone of their rights--how could I have been so stupid? This is a completely sane argument--Someone should send this FAQ to all the world leaders!

That's not what they are saying at all. They are arguing that just because anonymous speech can be used for evil does not mean that anonymous speech itself is legal. The next FAQ:

I don't want my node to be used to harbor child porn, offensive content or terrorism. What can I do?
The true test of someone who claims to believe in Freedom of Speech is whether they tolerate speech which they disagree with, or even find disgusting. If this is not acceptable to you, you should not run a Freenet node.

They are pretty open about what it is, and what you are getting into with it. The first part, about the ``true test'' is a bit pretentious, but it is probably a better lead-in than the more honest "Yeah, the network is filled with child porn and bomb schematics and we can't do shit about it, so suck it up.".

>>114
In Putin's Russia, anti-putin propaganda is illegal too. In fact Putin considers anti-government sentiments to be far worse evil than child porn, which is illegal only to avoid angering the crowd. I.e. politicians don't care about kids or pedophiles, only about other politicians using child porn as political tool by angering the crowd. Same for other controversial subjects, like homosexuals and emotion-provoking videos, like the ones depicting child cruelty.

Until late 80ies, when child porn it became a political toy, nobody cared about it.

It is not an injustice when I get hit with an ``idiot pedophile'' 4chan ban for shitposting on the jay.

Yes it is. Old Testament God allows men to marry girl children. Says to kill people opposed to his laws.

>>112

Still no one has proposed an alternative to the completely obvious problem that moderation solves.

freenet's ``solution'' is to make it difficult for anyone to know what exactly your box is hosting, including you, which they claim, gives you plausible deniability. There's no way I'm running a freenet node.

>>114

Of course! Deleting illegal content completely strips everyone of their rights--how could I have been so stupid?

That is certainly true when ``illegal content'' is political dissent. Our russian friend has given us an example of this in this thread. freenet trys to provide a communication channel that isn't feasible to censor. If harmful speech could be located and deleted by a legimate government, an oppressive one will use the same mechanism to silence political dissent. In order to resist such censorship, it must also resist legitimate censorship, unfortunately.

>>117
Thanks for your input, MikeeUSA.

>>117
Emigrate to Israhell if you like the Jewish gods so much.

>>96

A few thoughts:

"If you don't like website <X>, just don't go there. it's their site"

AKA Admin the king of the castle
AKA Shut Up or Fuck Off
AKA the only way online communities can come together is under the almighty rule of a single individual / group of individuals

The entire idea is to remove this roadblock from your mind.
You have been brainwashed.
A non-hierarchical reality is possible.

"People running a node in a distributed BBS would still need to delete CP"

Good! You should filter your own node, possibly even outright refuse messages from nodes which you've learned are cancerous. Just because you run a node doesn't mean you have to forward any ol' shit fuckers throw your way. FUCK FREENET.

OTOH there should be some kind of rule against accepting invalid messages (enforced using crypto). So an Admin would be able to delete censor PRO-ANA posts, but be unable to forge posts.