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Name: Anonymous 2015-11-17 22:27

I keep reading about this new ALGORITHMIC programs, i.e. computer programs that have (or use?) algorithms.. would any of you guys explain to me what the fuck is this? is this something like Artificial Intelligence??

Thanks.

Name: Anonymous 2015-11-17 22:39

yeah I'm an expert in ALGORITHMIC algorithm theory. For examples: Algorithmic algorithm analysis of advanced algorithms.

A very good question which you asked, in fact one of the most important questions of the field one might say. A good deal of algorithmic algorithm theory concerns such algorithmic algorithms.

Name: Al Gorithm 2015-11-18 0:27

>>2
What you say is not unmeaningless.

Name: Anonymous 2015-11-18 19:48

>>2
Not even wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 18:31

>>1
Is there any non-trivial program that does not use algorithms? Is "algorithmic program" anything more than a synonym for "non-trivial program"?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 18:52

>>5
Algorithmic program = program that terminates and solves the problem at hand.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 19:21

>>6
So Hello World is algorithmic?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 19:26

>>7
Yes. It involves a lot of steps, mapping from ASCII to the pixels on the screen.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 21:04

>>8
In fact, these steps are impossible to perform in a low-level language like Lambda Calculus.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 21:05

mapping from ASCII
I don't use ASCII.

to the pixels on the screen
How about text-to-speech programs?

You are wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 21:51

>>10
what about deaf people?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:02

>>9
I know very little about Lambda Calculus, however it's said to be equivalent to a Turing machine, and I'm pretty sure it's possible to define Hello World on a Turing machine using a defined character set.

>>10
The canonical "Hello World" is a text-based program. Even if it doesn't use ASCII, it uses a character set that works more or less the same way. And while it's entirely possible to create a Hello World program that sends its output to a text-to-speech software, that isn't what most people have in mind when they talk about Hello World.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:09

>>12
You can't do hello world in a Turing machine.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:11

>>13
So why do people care if some language is Turing-complete or not, if Turing machines are so useless they can't even run "hello world"?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:26

>>13
You can put the symbols "h" "e" "l" "l" "o" " " "w" "o" "r" "l" "d" on the tape and halt.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:34

>>15
But you can't print them to the screen, ie. you can't write a real "hello world".

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:40

>>16
You can hire a nigger to read the content of the tape for you.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-08 22:49

>>12
Can you elaborate on that point?

>>15
Hello World programs depend on the concept of "standard output", which is outside formal concepts like Turing completeness. However, there's no reason even a single-tape Turing machine couldn't incorporate a text-based standard output. After all the tape positions just represent memory addresses, you could have an output device mapped to a set of memory addresses, to show whatever symbols are located at those addresses.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-09 0:09

>>15
Rate my hello world in C
int main (void) { "Hello world"; return 0; }

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-09 9:02

>>18
"Could be done" is not a real argument. Either Turing-machine fanatics show a real Hello World, or they fuck off with their useless mental masturbation.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 7:11

>>19
not object oriented
no well-formed XML
not web-based
not mobile-optimized
no cloud
not enterprise-level
no reactive NUI
no IOT functionality
no big data
I love it

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 19:32

>>20
Turing Machines don't exist. They already are literally mental masturbation. It's perfectly fine for Hello, World! to masturbate along.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 20:02

Platonic realism is object oriented philosophy, and as such, should be shunned.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 20:36

How difficult would it be to create Turing machine that checks dubs?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 20:54

>>22
True, but a direct emulation of any Turing machine is trivial to implement in most programming languages, provided we accept the limitation that we cannot have a tape of infinite length.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 21:22

>>25
That's a pretty big limitation.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 22:32

I think this thread is dumb.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-10 22:56

>>25
If the tape is not infinite in length, it's just a push-down automata.
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