Wirth's law

"Software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware becomes faster."
-- Niklaus Wirth (February 1995). "A Plea for Lean Software".

I think this is something we here on /prog/ can clearly see. Programmers keep making things more and more complex/bloated shit for no good reason. Almost nobody cares about lean, fast, responsive, optimized software. Sad times.

>>39
Exactly!
There's a trade-off. Complexity VS Feature.
Is the feature of "deal automatically with angles" useful enough to justify adding a bit more complexity to the code base? Well, I guess it is! Because otherwise it's a big hurdle to do it manually. But adding a feature of, let's say, "output image in png, jpg, bmp and pdf" a good one? Probably not. Better keep it simple with a single output and you convert yourself if necessary.

The trade-off is not always so easy to reason about. But I think the suckless guys do a good enough job (from the tools I've used so far).

And minimalism is not only about features, but equally (if not more) importantly about how a feature is implemented.

>>40
Suckless isn't about only minimalism.
It's about the trade-off between usability and minimalism as seen on >>41
Wanna go fully minimal? Then stop using the computer.
What suckless seeks is a minimal solution to computing, while keeping the most important features.

>>39
Is a better input format necessary? Do I have to write a program myself just for the purpose of translating a more usable format to the one this program accepts?

Those are the question of feature vs. bloat.

>>42
But for what purpose? To make your multigigahertz CPU work less? To make this more manual for you?

It might be a tradeoff between bugs and features, but I doubt it. This is a small team building new codebases with little time & use for maturation.

Their time would be better off doing things a new way, rather than rolling back the clock on today's software, which is effectively what they're doing.

>>44
``a new way'' is the way people have been trying to do things for over half a century.

>>35

you don't even know how sage works. Lurk moar.

Epic win /b/ro!

>>1 think about it as demand-creation:
Without new software requirements the hardware would
not exists. Imagine a world with lean,hyper-efficient
software with minimal features, but same old hardware.
The cost to create new chips/videocards/cpus cannot
be justified until there is demand for it.
That where bloatware comes in, it can barely run on
current hardware, but some newest expensive system
can do it without a hitch. Suddenly this expensive
system is in demand, and companies begin targeting
bloatware market with cheaper system by competing on
price and features. Supply follows demands.
Intel wouldn't even exist if not for an obscure
calculator company they got to design a chip for.

>>45
Most of the half century has been trying to extend old ways. People stopped making new ways somewhere in the 1960s.

I guess the drugs helped? (but seriously, the lack of prior art meant they were unconstrained, unlike today)

>>47
Are you 18 yet, FrozenAnus?

>>36
I visited reddit yesterday. It was (still) terrible
did a quick nsfw search, because you know, just because..

mouths being used came up, and i thought, uhh, ok..

Have you seen how redittors use their mouths? It's no wonder i cannot post there

>>49
Age is just a number.

=) major lazer - free
Reminds me of Mr Jitendra Malik ^^

ugh, i was supposed to be studying Crypto II with Dan Boneh about now =.

Probably my bad for distracting him with that factorial based crypto in crypto I ^^ c'mon danny bones!

P.S Redditors should make their way to lounge and rinse thoroughly with redcream

I don't think i'm going to get along with these redditor expats..
I'm too #nofilter for reddit and 8chan alike ^^

being non-pro-american and non-pro-asio was too much for either of 'em xD

And i like obama, but it's a bit like putting a smartie on top of a dog turd, for the most part it's just a waste of a smartie

Silly americans, what if instead of needing guns to protect you from a dud government, you just got rid of the dud government?

>>56
That's racist.