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Why browsers are bloated [Part 2]

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-23 22:49

Cudder is all talk and no action!

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 13:33

>>159
If that's your definition of bloat, then your definition is a buzzword that's as good as meaningless.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 14:54

>>161
So you think it's an intelligent design to have duplications like those?
Get real.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 16:29

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 19:00

>>162
You think it's an intelligent design to have duplications like those >>166?
Get real.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 20:04

>>163
You think it's an intelligent design to sage a thread like that? Get real.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 20:18

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Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 21:27

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-02 23:45

>>167
GOSUB >>165

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 1:52

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 2:18

>>166
You think it's intelligent to get duplicated digits like that?
Get real.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 2:46

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 7:26

>>170
Beat you to it, sucker! See here: >>164

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 13:56

Firefox 53 will be the last upstream release where rust is optional.

https://www.mail-archive.com/dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org/msg20816.html

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 14:05

>>162
The problem is an identity problem, it is not bloat. The committee had overlooked this specific part of the standard and it is good to point it out to them so that they can get to assigning unique identities (codepoints) for the characters. It would only be insane if they respond by saying this is "not bug, it's a feature".

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 14:49

I looked at HTML 5.1 spec.
Not fixed there either.
https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/syntax.html

This is where you go to file an issue.
https://github.com/w3c/html/issues

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 14:54

Also, for anyone here, please ignore W3C. They are asshats. WHATWG is doing proper standardizations since '04.
Source - http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1406427616/641

So why are you going with W3C now?

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 14:55

I looked at the WHATWG spec.
Not fixed there either.
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html

This is where you go to file an issue.
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-03 21:42

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-02-05 2:29

>>174
No, they need to remove them completely because they're essentially useless. The original purpose of named entities, besides escaping (e.g. >), was so you could use Unicode/ISO10646 characters in a file with non-Unicode encoding. With the proliferation and recommendation of UTF-8, the need for that has decreased significantly.

>>175-177
I'm not going to get into the whole W3C vs WHATWG debate, but if anyone wants to tell them about this bloat, they should tell both of them.

But the fact that absolutely no one on either committee discovered or pointed it out is an epic fail. These are people whose main job is to read and discuss the spec, and yet apparently none of them saw it or decided to say something...

Here's a cleaned up entity list, less than 1.5K entities from the original 2K+. In other words, 25% of the spec was bloatshit:

http://pastebin.com/2gth3uPv

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 3:26

>>135,138,159,160,162,174,175,177,179
It's called ≪⃒freedom≫⃒, the benefit of living in a free country where you don't get put to death for calling it   instead of   (or vice versa). If you don't like it, move to one of those Middle Eastern places.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 3:44

>>177
Need an account

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 4:54

>>180
``freedom" is a codeword for bloat

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 5:18

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 6:29

>>183
``sage" is codeword for bloat

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 14:43

``Lulz'' is a corruption of L O L, which stands for "Laugh Out Loud"

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-05 16:51

>>185
Thanks, I've been trying to figure that one out for years.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-06 14:56

Cudder is all talk and no action

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-06 15:31

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 7:33

What's the point of writing a browser in assembly anyways, when Java is nearly twice as fast these days?

https://i.4cdn.org/g/1487142333422.png

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 7:44

>>189
Go back there

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-02-15 9:11

>>189
Multiply speed by size and compare again. If you unroll all the loops and make a CPU execute code in a straight line of course it will look faster in microbenchmarks. What it doesn't show is that it has made everything else much slower.

Name: Admin 2017-02-15 11:14

>>189
Sharing a image that will be deleted in minutes, nice going idiot, only on /prog/rider could this happen.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 14:01

>>189
Your IP or IP range is blocked from accessing 4chan.
LOLWUT

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 14:28

>>193
yeah same
get back to the meeting discussing synergies u enterprise cocuck

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 14:36

>>191
How much have you managed to implement, as of 2017?

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-15 17:54

Cudder is all talk and no action!

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-02-16 10:04

>>195
Look at the thread.

Currently figuring out better entity parsing and Unicode(-ish) support. IRL work is busy so not much time to work on it.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-16 10:05

>>197
Cudder, do you have a repo somewhere so I can look at your code? I wanted to write a browser myself and I'm looking for a starting point.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-16 10:22

>>198
Look at netsurf.

Name: Anonymous 2017-02-16 12:12

>>199
Netsurf is "lightweight" compared to the big ones but could be much better... https://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1406427616/549-556
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