Why browsers are bloated [Part 2]

Cudder is all talk and no action!

post the source code cudder

>>441
Acid2 pass

>>442
proof?

>>443
See >>230

A challenger appears...

http://www.litehtml.com/download.html

The binary (actually 3 of them) is closer to 6MB, or roughly in the same range as Dillo and NetSurf.

How well does it work? The first thing I did was visit https://dis.tinychan.net/prog/, upon which it immediately displays:

"Something Wrong
The message received was unexpected or badly formatted."

Not off to a good start. How about http://acid2.acidtests.org/ ?

An immediate crash! 0xc0000094 (divide by zero exception.)

Two sites, neither of them webapps nor anywhere near as complex as most of what's out there, on which it fails horribly.

It also takes around 14MB of RAM just to show a blank page (mine currently takes around 3MB.)

If I can pass Acid2 -- or even attempt to show something -- in what I would consider an incredibly bloated 1MB, I will already be ahead of that one. But I am still aiming for 64K.

Currently looking into the details of CSS layout and rendering, so that I can show something better than >>421 (but at least it doesn't crash.)

Acid2 pass in 64k may seem unrealistic if the binary is already close to 50k for >>421, but that's because it contains a lot of other things which aren't technically needed for Acid2 - JPG and GIF decoding, for example (but PNG is needed.)

If I strip it down to pass Acid2 in 64k, and perhaps even pack the binary (but not do something obviously cheating like a prerendered page whenever it detects that URL), does that still qualify? Is it merely a "creative interpretation of the rules", as the demoscene would say...?

maybe if u used rust

Have you thought about recruiting rms for your browser project? He has the experience and similar ideals.

Show your code cudder.

>>449
Here is his code (leaked by Nigerian hackers):
org 100h
mov dx,hello_world
mov ah,9
int 21h
mov ah,4Ch
int 21h

>>450
Pretty good for a Serb.

>>448
Experience with Lisp and the highly bloated coreutils as well as the rest of the GNUshit (GAS syntax is fucking retarded)?

>>452
POOR STALLMAN

>>452
He knows what's important: the original (lost) Unix philosophy: do a thing right!

6 Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!FBeUS42x4uM+kgp 2011-11-21 4:12

I'll admit I've been writing a web browser myself too, in C. I've gotten not much more than the HTML tokenizer done, because it's a time-killing thing. If only there were 64KB web browser competitions...

https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1321853871/6

We've been waiting for 10 years, Cudder.

>>455

What happened to the Cudder's Unix-like OS?

>>456
One of the two other girls who contributed to Anonix OS had a car accident in Osaka, Japan. Cudder was requested to send nudes and subsequently nuked REchan and also ragequitted from the MhMRSATORI tripcode.
The source code of the anonymously-developped by Cudder, Haruhi and the 3rd namefag girl whose name I forgot utilities is lost forever.
Anonix OS had unbloated and anonymous clones of true, false, cat, echo, tail, head, wc (this one was approx. 40% complete)

On a side note, 4-ch's /code/ is dead. Its threads have been merged with /tech/

https://4-ch.net/tech/kareha.pl/1210401680/

1 Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!!L0f5nl0+ : 2008-05-10 06:41 ID:apPW4NZm
_{This thread was merged from the former /code/ board. You can view the archive here.}

Since 4chan's /prog/ has become little more than meme spamming, I decided I'd try here.

Me and a group of anons are working on a POSIX-compliant OS, which will be developed anonymously and be public domain. Currently we've started on replacing GNU's Coreutils with Anoncoreutils, and have around 1/3 of the utilities finished. This is both an experiment in anonymous software development and an attempt to eliminate the bloat that GNU's programs tend to have.

Anyone is welcome to join in with this, as long as they don't leave a name and don't mind writing code for the public domain.

More info at https://web.archive.org/web/20130508104541/http://rechan.eu.org/ac/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20130508104100/http://rechan.eu.org/ax/

(The 3rd girl was w4lolitaKs)

I can't find the first thread related to "anon coreutils" but a repo still exists
https://repo.or.cz/4chanprog.git/commit/7e86bccb1387e5e53855b96ab6d61458c3fcd33c
coreutils/README [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/cat.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/echo.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/false.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/pwd.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/sync.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/true.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/tty.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/whoami.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob
coreutils/yes.c [new file with mode: 0644] blob

>>455
So have I... if only I had more time to work on it instead of IRL stuff. Thanks for finding that thread, it confirms that the web has NOT gotten better in a decade, and if anything, much worse! If you can find the rest of the threads it would make a good read for the newfags. I remember making some predictions in subsequent ones.

>>456-459
You can find the last ACU release here:
http://rechan.eu.org/misc/anoncoreutils-20080617-2.tar.bz2
I still want to REvive REchan someday. It was a fun few years but HAHAHaruhi and lolita moved on to other things and IRL got in the way, like usual.

>>460

http://rechan.eu.org/misc/anoncoreutils-20080617-2.tar.bz2

Thanks! I looked everywhere and it actually hasn't moved.

I still want to REvive REchan someday.

I would really love that! Reading its archive with the Fravia links made me nostalgic.

Not so bad, eh?
[anon@machine ]$ time ./md5sum ABOUT.HTM
36ecdcd50f5eeee897084163a99e977a ABOUT.HTM

real 0m0.002s
user 0m0.002s
sys 0m0.000s
[anon@machine ]$ time md5sum ABOUT.HTM
36ecdcd50f5eeee897084163a99e977a ABOUT.HTM

real 0m0.004s
user 0m0.004s
sys 0m0.000s
[anon@machine ]$ wc -l anoncore/md5sum.c
164 anoncore/md5sum.c
[anon@machine ]$ wc -l coreutils/src/md5sum.c
1110 coreutils/src/md5sum.c

>>460

If you can find the rest of the threads it would make a good read for the newfags. I remember making some predictions in subsequent ones.

Yes, that was more or less the purpose. We seem to have an influx of Discord kids, who, for some reasons, are overly enthusiastic about textboards. I thought we could scare them away welcome those with a genuine interest.

https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1207068959
https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1209524717
https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1210044469

The thread I was looking for had an ASCII banner of sorts.

>>457

One of the two other girls who contributed to Anonix OS had a car accident in Osaka, Japan. Cudder was requested to send nudes and subsequently nuked REchan and also ragequitted from the MhMRSATORI tripcode.

3 tranner attention whores working on the same project
what an accomplishment

>>464
Now that Free Software is dead, Anonix is our only hope.

>>463
I was talking about the browser threads.

>>465
There's still BSD.

Also, 466GET!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9WAcH9KX0

>>466
Marry me!

https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1332379866
https://archive.tinychan.net/read/prog/1375659016/65-

Firefox has indeed gotten worse, with Mozilla recently taken over by SJWs, and continues to deepthroat Google while the latter's propaganda campaign is indoctrinating more innocent developers by brainwashing them into believing that Chrome's monopoly and Chrome-only sites is good; so much that they were even able to force Microsoft to surrender.

Fuck the "modern web". Fuck this "progress" and "move the web forward" bullshit.

Firefox has now gone full-adware:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/firefox-now-shows-ads-as-sponsored-address-bar-suggestions/

Instead of begging for more money, Mozilla needs to fire all its designers, retarded "diversity and inclusion" SJWs, and all the other people doing useless shit. Everyone except the hardcore developers need to fuck off. Revert all the user-hostile changes, remove the "telemetry" spyware/adware, and turn Firefox back into a completely neutral browser that obeys no one but the user. Mozilla needs to debloat itself.

...but we know that's never going to happen, so every time those fucktards make things worse, I'm motivated to go work on my browser a little more. It's currently around 50KB and can display text and images. Acid2 pass in 64K might be very difficult, and in 1MB is definitely possible, but whatever the size ends up to be, it will be a saner browser than the insanity that the web has become.

everyone's runnin round, no place to go

https://i.postimg.cc/Xv29t2qz/bowse.png

Currently working on layout. CSS parser development was started long ago, but set aside to focus on other things.

In celebration of post 471, let's roll some coal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU9-3XRRCk4

>>469

Firefox has now gone full-adware:

RMS is fine with telemetry in audacity; why would he oppose it in firefox.

because hes making Icedinternet. a cool new web browser that comes with 3gb ram absorber and cpu spiker.