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Name: Anonymous 2016-04-29 17:25

Even more troubling were reports of incredible software productivity from US projects using languages like Lisp, APL, Prolog, Smalltalk and Forth. Entire robotic planning systems with natural language and graphics interfaces were programmed by just one or two people in Lisp. Reams of PL/I code were replaced by a single line of APL. Prolog obsoleted a generation of Cobol programmers. Smalltalk and Logo were taught to children, and raised the spectre of a 12-year-old outproducing a dozen beltway bandits. Perhaps most troubling of all was Forth, with its ability to very quickly program substantial real-time systems that took insignificant amounts of memory.

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-29 17:43

languages like Lisp, APL, Prolog, Smalltalk and Forth
where is Erlang?

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-29 19:13

Tooling is more important than language.

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-30 7:28

>>1
convincing crack Soviet programmers--e.g., Ershov--to believe in this disinformation campaign would be difficult
Soviets have abandoned functional languages long before the Ada story. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refal

soviet decision was to unconditionally copy everything west does, because that allowed to cut R&D spendings, providing more money for the party functionaries.

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-30 8:33

http://www.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/sigplannotices/gigo-1997-04.html

Russian wikipedia confirms that as a true story:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)#.D0.90.D0.B4.D0.B0_.D0.B2_.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A0_.D0.B8_.D0.A0.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.81.D0.B8.D0.B8

Name: Anonymous 2016-04-30 11:40

%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)#.D0.90.D0.B4.D0.B0_.D0.B2_.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A0_.D0.B8_.D0.A0.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.81.D0.B8.D0.B8
I'm not clicking that.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-02 4:16

>>6
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ада_(язык_программирования)#...
Calm your fucking tits comrade.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-02 5:02

Less of this

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-02 12:30

>>1
Has there been other stuff written about the use of Ada and/or the suppression of FP to waste the resources of the Soviets this way? I can't tell if this is satire or not.

>>5
I ran it through a popular translation tool, and it seems to just say that yes, the CCCP used Ada in many of their software projects. But it doesn't confirm that they were manipulated into using Ada by any adversary.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-02 14:32

>>9
Who in their right mind would be using Ada over say ML? There must have been a conspiracy.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-02 16:41

>>10
If you knew what ML was like when Ada was made, you would be asking ``Who in their right mind would be using ML over say K&R C?'' and ``Who in their right mind would be using ML over say Applesoft BASIC?''

Modules? No. Pattern matching? Of course not. ML didn't even have records or ``ML'' datatype syntax. And it was an interpreted language written in Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 5:15

Although Ada would also severely impact American software productivity, it was felt that--just as cancer-fighting chemotherapy nearly kills healthy tissue while it kills tumors--the healthier US economy would be better able to bear the severe burden of an unproductive software industry than the Soviet economy could. Thus, while American geeks were inferior to Soviet geeks, our Elbonian hordes could beat their Mongolian hordes.

What deliberate misinformation campaigns to do with programming are currently active?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 10:17

>>12
Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 10:24

>>13
But I can't find a Lisp machine.

I can make my own one.

They can never stop me.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 21:02

>>12
Golang. Google intentionally is pushing it while rarely using it themselves outside of demos for the golang.org page. Go is a virus to impede those who might compete with Google.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 22:48

>>15
Go is literally worse than ALGOL68 https://cowlark.com/2009-11-15-go/

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 23:03

>>15
protip: it is a waste of resources to re-implement existing and working codebases in a new language for the sake of the new language. Google will be using Golang in new projects, not existing ones.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-03 23:16

>>16
And that comes from a guy, who considers Ada a good language.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 0:44

>>18
Why the fuck, would you put a comma there?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 1:22

>>15
Good example! That would be consistent with the bizarre way its being pushed. A lot of brogrammer cargo-cult brainlessness around Go.

>>17
Google will be using Golang in new projects, not existing ones.

The US had to use Ada to convince the Soviets that it was good to use:

Although Ada would also severely impact American software productivity, it was felt that--just as cancer-fighting chemotherapy nearly kills healthy tissue while it kills tumors--the healthier US economy would be better able to bear the severe burden of an unproductive software industry than the Soviet economy could. Thus, while American geeks were inferior to Soviet geeks, our Elbonian hordes could beat their Mongolian hordes.

The propaganda now is so perfect that Google doesn't even have to hurt themselves by actually using it. The horde of cargo-cult appers will eat anything up. Not only that, they will loudly repeat all the talking points they are given, and they will congratulate themselves in the process.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 1:37

Dubs coming up soon, stay tuned

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 1:37

Check 'em

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 2:12

>>20
Who are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 3:23

>>23
Who are you quoting?
I'm not going to answer your question. I don't believe you are asking it sincerely.

Although you have disappointed me, I may be mistaken, and you may actually be asking this question sincerely. If so I believe that if you excercise some discipline and really apply yourself, I believe you have it in you to answer this question yourself.

ALL THE BEST TO YOU, >>23

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 6:21

>>23
Oh boy, don't you have an egg on your face now!

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 18:09

>>12
Lisp. It can't be used to write good software. They will try and fail, but it creates a lot of angry bloggers, who will shill Lisp further.

They have been told that only smart people can use Lisp. They want to appear smart, so they lie. If they do make something, it's inevitably garbage. They didn't rewrite Lisp code in Python or JavaScript, making it shorter and faster in the process, because Lisp is too hard to learn or too productive. They rewrote it because the code was horrible.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 18:26

>>26
Please crawl inside an oven.

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 18:54

Run, don't crawl!

Name: Anonymous 2016-05-04 19:45

>>28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIuIIqbyEIU
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