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You are the victim of shills

Name: Anonymous 2017-08-27 11:41

Shills exist. It's a real thing.

They aren't paid. There is no possible financial gain from posting on /prog/.

But there are ideological shills that are working hard to win every-possible mind to their side.

Guess who does that?

Did you guess "the side that is over-represented on the internet and wins twelve allies every time they get a stack overflow upvote," the way that pajeets do?

You guessed wrong.

The only shills on /prog/ are the ones wringing every stone until they find one that gives a drop of blood.

/prog/ is being manipulated by C programmers and Unix hackers, because the anonymous format provides a unique opportunity for their ideas to be presented without cross-examination. Because their ideas can't withstand cross-examination.

You ever seen those posts on /prog/ about Lisp being useless in the real world? Did you know that those claims got debunked, twenty years ago? They were flat-out proved wrong, when most of you were in diapers. But you saw a statistic.

Shills are here. They won. You believe them.

Name: Anonymous 2017-08-28 5:12

I know C is a flawed language, but its much easier to stay with C.
Its going to be supported by everything for the next few decades.
It got many different compilers and companies backing it(unlike single-compiler ecosystems they force the code to be compatible with standards rather than compilers),
C has the simple characteristic that its "easy to learn, hard to master".
Like chess is very easy to grasp and play right away, but to be proficient requires real skill.
C code is also very easy(with exception of casting/pointers) to see-through: there is little separating C from the underlying machine instructions, making optimizations possible where high-level stuff provides complex, opaque constructs which cannot be simplified to their components.

Name: Anonymous 2017-08-28 5:44

>>12
"Forcing" your language won't work, it has to be clearly superior to be competitive with C.
The switching cost must be somehow justified, not merely proposed as "superior choice".
C++ success was carrying old C code with minor changes, that created low "switching cost".
People asking "rewriting it in X" don't understand skills in C don't transfer to X.
Its not only "rewrite it in X" but "retrain all coders in X, develop new libraries in X, learn all new features of the week in X" etc. Its not an incremental process where you can add X, it requires major skills and mentality changes which won't occur unless X becomes clearly superior.
People didn't stop using horses with the advent of first cars, early cars were shit.

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