OSX 10 Yosemite

Why Apple's latest OS GUI looks so amateurish, ugly and flat, while software is so bloated and filled with spyware, like it is some Windows 10?

>>39
X and window managers don't need Linux - and having those is enough to have GUI. nobody needs GNOME or KDE

>>41
you need it for them programs

>>38

BSD has no drivers. Especially no power management drivers. Enjoy your short battery life.

>>43
You can change the CPU default freq/voltage in BIOS even if the os doesn't have a powersave mode(i assume its some laptop/mobile tablet thing), its called underclocking and undervolting.

>>42
Not really.

Nobody really needs a full desktop environment. X + wmii or i3 is enough.

>>46
Most Linux software depends on desktop environment. Longtime ago there was KHexEdit, a a nice hex editor that did the job done. But since multiple incompatible API and ABI changes, there is no KHexEdit anymore, all work put into it is lost. And Linux software that is still maintained is cost a lot of man-years to keep working, instead of improving it, like i.e. adding in hex editor support for defining file structure, reading memory of any process, or integrating it with disassembler, so you can easily analyze your compiler's output.

Then again, you can't easily add support into your Linux program for reading the memory of other process, because ABI for that is very unstable.

>>47
Good thing I left Linux then. And there are utilities like KHexEdit that don't require a full DE.

>>47
shut up nikita and make your game

>>47
Hex editor is a typical crud app, it can't be that complex to depend on "unstable" APIs. heck a hex editor is much simpler than any text editor to write.

>>50

Actually, good hex editor does a lot of stuff, including opening very large files and text input in various encodings.

>>51

including opening very large files

Maybe if you're using windows, but that's not a problem with vim or emacs.

>>52

I doubt Emacs can edit a 500 gigabyte HDD image, because Emacs is designed to edit small text files, that could be loaded into memory.

>>53

because Emacs is designed to edit small text files

Incorrect.

>>53
MUH
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MEGABYTES

Been a while since we had a good Vim vs. Emacs fight.

>>56
For a good reason. Both are toy editors used by ingrained manchildren who don't want to let go of 15 years of learning.

>>57
I prefer Traditional Vi to Vim, but I wouldn't call Vim a toy editor. Emacs is bloated but so is pretty much anything GNU related.

ingrained manchildren who don't want to let go of 15 years of learning.

That kind of SJW frame of thought is why you have the abortion that is systemd and why the modern Linux userland and software ecosystem is so dysfunctional and fractured. The idea of ``If it's broken, don't fix it'' isn't just some mindless cliché.

>>58

If it's broken, don't fix it

Are you being ironic or is this a typo?

>>59
The latter. My bad, fucking phone.

>>61
Even if that should count as an actual reason (it doesn't), there's no reason why a fucking init system should have a Web server built in. Same reason why a bootloader should not be over 30 MB. The only real advantage that I can see from systemd is parallel service startup, which can also be implemented in a sysv style init system anyway.

>>62

Same reason why a bootloader should not be over 0.3 KB.

Fixed.

>>63
Memory isn't very expensive anymore

>>64
...And that's what you'll be saying when the bootloader becomes 1GB.

>>65
well, if RAM gets sold in the TBs at that point, I probably would still say it

>>64

Memory could be cheap, but CPU time and bandwidth to process it are still expensive.

>>63
Hell,

Cudder

, if anyone can get a ``modern'' bootloader down to that size, it would be a great start towards cutting out bloat. I'd be happy enough if it could be reduced down to floppy size.

>>68

Floppy is enough to hold whole OS, together with GUI and a lot of software. Think Amiga.

>>69
AmigaOS 4 is bigger than floppy size now.

>>71

If you don't want systemd's web server, it's trivial to not have it.

That's not the point. If one wants a Web server, they can configure Apache or nginx or whatever. It doesn't belong in an initialization startup system.

The real advantage of systemd is the declarative approach to init configuration along with server dependency tracking. The speed boost over SysVinit is just a nice side effect and not the intent.

To be fair, I was never opposed to modernizing aspects of SysVinit, I can see in certain situations where one would need something a bit more ``sophisticated'' for more time critical things. There are already are very good init systems like OpenRC in Gentoo and

rc.d

in FreeBSD that are portable and carry the same basic ``advantages'' as systemd, with much less feature creep and footprint. It was implemented in the major distros because of politics and Poettering's ego, not because it was better in any technical sense.

>>73
That's freedesktop.org's favorite trick. Set up an idiotic dilemma between the worst existing solution (or an imaginary one that is even worse, such as ``use old X forever'') and your new shiny turd, then stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that other possibilities even exist. If you are forced to acknowledge it, just FUD it to death like they did with OpenRC in Debian. Since almost everybody has already bought into the dilemma, nobody will check whether any of it is true.

Okay, it appears that the whole flat UI fad is due to some retard design manager at Apple, taking over after Job's death:
https://www.fastcodesign.com/1670760/will-apples-tacky-software-design-philosophy-cause-a-revolt
“It’s visual masturbation,” says one former senior UI designer at Apple who worked closely with Steve Jobs. “It’s like the designers are flexing their muscles to show you how good of a visual rendering they can do of a physical object. Who cares?”

Inside Apple, tension has brewed for years over the issue. Apple iOS SVP Scott Forstall is said to push for skeuomorphic design, while industrial designer Jony Ive and other Apple higher-ups are said to oppose the direction. “You could tell who did the product based on how much glitz was in the UI,” says one source intimately familiar with Apple’s design process.

But before Forstall, it was Steve Jobs who encouraged the skeuomorphic approach, some say. “iCal’s leather-stitching was literally based on a texture in his Gulfstream jet,” says the former senior UI designer. “There was lots of internal email among UI designers at Apple saying this was just embarrassing, just terrible.”

>>75

These design niggers are like Haskell schoolboys, wanting to supplant good old tried plain C with their abstract overengineered out of order execution mess.

>>76
Nothing wrong with Haskell.

>>77
Everything wrong with it after the Foldable/Traversable mess. Not that C is somehow better.

>>78

after the Foldable/Traversable mess.

What's this now?

Not that C is somehow better.

Did you get tired of hating on Russia and now you hate C all of a sudden, Nikita?

>>79

How can Nikita hate C, if most of his github consists of C/C++ projects, including Symta?