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Aversion to cloud makes no sense

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-21 16:38

``There are issues with security and privacy!''
You think big tech companies know less about security than you do? Get real. You're more likely to get hacked with shitty on-prem equipment that some barely-qualified IT neckbeard set up incorrectly.

``There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer!''
Yeah, AWS or Heroku data centers are exactly the same as some random desktop in somebody's house. NOT.

``But it's expensive!''
You know what's more expensive? Overprovisioning. Scalability is an important aspect of cloud. You can scale out when you need extra capability (such as going viral on social media and you temporarily have a lot of extra traffic), and then scale back down once you're back to normal. Back when I was taking old-ass IT certification training, we were taught about overprovisioning as if that was the only solution. Cloud is way better.

``But you get locked into vendor-specific things!''
Stick to generic shit instead of things like Amazon Linux or Amazon's super-specific APIs and Amazon-only database shit. Some of it is unavoidable, but they are just useful skills to have. Very few things are 100% vendor neutral these days. Want to make mobile apps? Gotta learn Google and Apple shit. Want to make macOS and iOS apps? Gotta use Swift in Xcode in macOS, so you need to buy a MacBook. Networking certs concentrate on Cisco. Getting into IT inevitably turns you into a Microsoft shill. I could go on and on. Vendor neutrality sounds good in theory but it just doesn't exist.

``But other people are running VMs on the same hypervisors as your production data. What if someone finds a VM breakout vulnerability and then accesses private data?''
Use private cloud instead of public then. You do know the difference between the two, right?

``On-prem is better than cloud''
On-prem and cloud aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. You can go for a hybrid cloud solution, where some things are cloud-based, and some are local.

``But it costs monthly''
Everything cots monthly, if you think about it. So let's say you buy a server and set it up in your business. Let's say you buy a $1K server and intend to keep using it in production for about 5 years before ugprading. That's still $16.67 per month. Not to mention the cost of electricity and paying someone to maintain it (updates, security, upgrades, etc). Electricity isn't free, nor is air conditioning, building security, real estate, etc.

Being alive costs money monthly. Gotta buy food. Gotta buy gas. Gotta pay rent. Utilities. Car repairs. Gym membership. And so on. Freetards are delusional.

``Cloud is less reliable''
You can get SLAs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_nines
My university's local servers are down way more often than any AWS, Azure, Google Compute, or Heroku shit.

``But you can't use cloud without an internet connection''
Can you really do anything at all these days without an internet connection? Think about it. Would you complain that /prog/ sucks because you can't use it offline? Welcome to 2018. We are all increasingly connected.

``But what if I get hacked?''
You on't need to be using cloud resources to get hacked.

``But you have to learn so much new stuff!''
What's worse: learning basic shit from a couple big cloud/PaaS/IaaS providers, or having to learn new weird legacy infrastructure whenever you get a new job? AWS has a lot of documentation and support. Good luck with some company's internal weird network and dinosaur COBOL code base and other bizarre shit that most people have forgotten how to use. And it isn't well-documented either.

Most companies that use cloud use one of the same few cloud providers. Every non-cloud company might have a different scheme for doing things. What skill is more transferable?

``But I'm autistic and I hate change! It's still the 90s as far as I'm concerned! Why do I have to learn new technology? I have already convinced myself that I'm an expert and that the old way of doing things is better and that young people are stupid! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!''
There's the real reason why you don't like cloud.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-21 16:52

But young people are stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 0:02

legit thread. don't ever listen to any of the posters here or on /g/. they're all unemployed NEET anime neckbeards.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 2:48

>>1
One word:Single Point of Failure

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 3:07

>>4

Single? I guess you’ve never heard of CDNs before? It’s distributed more than a SINGLE on-perm data center. Besides, you can always use RAID or backups or distributed systems like with microservices via Docker container pods in container orchestrators like Kubernetes.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 7:00

Single? I guess you’ve never heard of Enterprise-Grade CDNs before? It’s proactively distributed more than a SINGLE on-perm Small Business data center. Besides, you can always use agile RAID or tiered backups or distributed BPO systems like with app-friendly microservices synergized with cutting-edge Docker container pods in open-source Big Data orchestrators like Kubernetes.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 7:04

>>4-6
When 1/4 of internet goes down when one of the Big Clouds has "temporary timeouts, we're investigating the problem", i call it Central-Point-Of-Failure.
No marketing buzzwords can fix this.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-22 7:50

I uploaded my cyber data to the cloud and they stole all my bit coins.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 0:23

>>8
Amazon S3 Buckets?
https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+s3+bucket+leak
Cloud can be secure, but only if you RTFM. Some people have no idea what they're doing.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 0:27

>>7
That's what lazy companies get for not going with hybrid private multi-cloud solutions. Hybrid means on-prem and cloud. Private means dedicated servers as opposed to shared hypervisors. Multi-cloud means using multiple cloud providers instead of just one (so you have some servers in Azure, some in AWS, some in Heroku, some in DigitalOcean, Cloudflare, Akamai, etc).

If you think things always have a central point of failure, do you blame the services being used, or the people who are using them? Do they pay for high-9 SLAs, or do they get cheaper plans?

You can design your cloud solutions to compensate for temporary downtime of a single provider. If a company doesn't do that, they're lazy, cheap, or don't know what they're doing.

If I give you an IDE and a compiler, and you use it to make code that crashes, who's to blame? The person who made the tools, or the person using them?

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 4:34

>>10
>If I give you an IDE and a compiler, and you use it to make code that crashes, who's to blame?
Designers of the C language, of course. Its their fault i can't write C that doesn't crash and corrupt memory.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 6:29

>>1
You think big tech companies know less about security than you do? Get real. You're more likely to get hacked with shitty on-prem equipment that some barely-qualified IT neckbeard set up incorrectly.
size of the company is actually detrimental. the more dev/test machines you have the more likely you are to accidentally (or """accidentally""") expose them to the internet, as we've seen many times. bigger bureaucracy means bigger attack surface for social engineering attacks (and most;. high-profile attacks employ at least some SE). plus, being hacked isn't the only privacy/security problem in the cloud: you also need to trust the operator of the cloud (that's what the 'someone else's computer' complaint means). and even if none of that were true, you still need to understand at least basics of security because no 'cloud security architecture' will help you if there's an RCE vuln on your server.

complexity is detrimental to security. your're are just adding more things that can go wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 16:13

>>1
I used the Cloud to publish some anti-Russian texts, and a after the frist complaint from Putin, cloud services have deleted all my texts, without refunding. That would have never happened had I used personal computer host my texts.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 17:20

>>13
Cloud services think big: does one customer worth trouble with entire Russia? Of course that wouldn't make business sense.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 17:33

>>14
Each customer brings potential troubles. What if he sells books? What if one of these books offends Muslims or some African cannibal tribe? What if that customer keeps an open forum for his community to discuss the product and one of the customers posts a funny caricature of Trump? You just cant do anything without triggering somebody into full-retard mode.

That is why we need personal solution, not some cloud, which will dump you to avoid angering Putin.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 19:54

>>15
Local-only is silly. Maybe there is a different alternative. Perhaps a decentralized cloud system.

Name: >>16-san 2018-04-23 19:55

Perhaps I should clarify. I mean both decentralized and distributed. So instead of connecting to some company's cloud server, there's a network of peers who are all hosting a portion of your content, so it's not 100% on any particular computer. This probably just sounds like BitTorrent though.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-23 23:29

yes goyim, move all of your important data to the cloud where it will be safe, you can trust me

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-24 0:00

>>18
the singularity is inevitable

don't resist it

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-24 1:09

>>16-17
decentralized is a meme. there's a reason it's only used for piracy. ever tried to load a video on IPFS? LOL. random consumer desktops and laptops running on residential internet connections aren't optimized for serving content or doing computation.

also decentralization leads to mob rule. you can probably download the latest Thor movie at 20 Mbps, but good luck if you want to rely on other people to host your obscure blog posts or worse, your proprietary commercial assets.

just use the right tool for the job. you have to pay the electric company and the water company for their massive infrastructure; the same applies to cloud. the freetard/decentralized analogy would be going to the local lake by the landfill with a bucket to delightfully scoop up some feces infested water "because it's free."

Name: 1337 2018-04-24 1:14

>>20
>propietary

Bytes are free. You invent nothing, you just combine other things people before you combined. Specially true in software.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-24 1:32

>>20
You can just host your obscure blog or your crappy assets yourself then.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-24 1:37

>>21
overly-reductionist bullshit
technically people are just combinations of atoms
hurrdurr

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-24 6:30

>>23
technically your're are an anus

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