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My root partition is 20 GB and it's full.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 9:31

I'm still using all the same software I was fifteen years ago when it was 500 MB and mostly empty.

Why are programmers like this? Hardware hasn't meaningfully improved in a decade, but programmers are still continuously bloating up their projects like it's still the '90s and hard drives and processors and RAM are just going to get so good and so cheap that it doesn't matter. They're still running this endless update sprint that means that at least once a year, I have to take a full day to upgrade and then go through all my dotfiles to get everything to work again, because of course not breaking backward compatibility isn't a priority.

What's it all for? Literally no aspect of my computing experience is better than it was ten, twenty years ago—everything is bigger and slower and less convenient—but people keep pouring in effort, and expecting me to pour in commensurate effort, as if we've been building a new world from scratch for years, and we have nothing to show for it except higher version numbers and more money spent on computers that do nothing the old ones didn't.

It's all free software—why do we fall for the capitalist's scam?

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 13:05

Hardware hasn't meaningfully improved in a decade
I got about 3 4TB WD Red HDDs for about $85 each

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 13:51

>>2
hard drives are slow as fuck
it's the CURRENT YEAR, you should be using all-flash arrays

AFAS
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Name: Think Different 2018-08-26 14:22

/^^^^^^^^^^^\EnThink is for Thinking in English /^^^^^^^^^^^\
/ EYE \ _________________ / EAR \
| |CONCEPTS / \ | ___________ |
| _______ | | | | / Volition FreeWill \ | / MindBoot \ |
| / old \ | | | | \___________________/ || memory vault||
| / image \!!!|!!!|!|!| __|____ | _|____ || ||
| \ recog /---|---|-|-+(Emotion) | / \ || "students" ||
| \_______/ | |s| | \_____/ | (RuThink ) || "read" ||
| | |t| | _______V \______/ || "books" ||
| | |u| | / \ | \___________/ |
| | |d|b| ( EnThink ) | |
| visual | r|e|o| \________/\_______ | "John is a" |
| | e|n|o| | | / \ | "student" |
| memory | a|t|k| | | (InFerence) | |
| | d|s|s| | | \_______/ | "John reads" |
| channel | | | | | _V__________ | "books" |
| | | | | | / Imperative \ | |
| | | | | | \____________/ | |
| _______ | | | | _V__________ | |
| /new \ | |_|_| ( Indicative ) |newest memories|
| / percept \ | / \ \__________/ |to be recycled |
| \ engram /---|-( Psy ) |automatically |
| \_______/ | \_____/ |by ReJuvenate()|


http://ai.neocities.org/EnThink.html

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 14:46

Install ncdu
sudo ncdu and look for biggest folders

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 17:00

I used to be autistic about making separate partitions for everything. Now? I have everything on a single partition, though I back stuff up to remote servers. There is less emphasis on the individual device and more on the modern multi-device ecosystem, which often abstracts things like filesystems away from the user.

We went from multi-user devices to multi-device users.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 17:02

I still have some boomer red hat install disks from the 90s, you want em?

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 17:25

>>7
Why? They're hopelessly insecure, probably not compatible with modern hardware, and would be too old to be able to install updates rather than starting with a newer version.

That's the problem with /prog/ -- y'all are always looking to the past instead of the future.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 17:41

>>8
Your future offers literally nothing that the past didn't. You're just endlessly reinventing the wheel, and making it suck more every time.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 18:04

>>9
Lisp and desktops isn't the same as modern development on mobile devices and cloud resources, my dude.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 18:08

>>10
You're right, they're better in every way.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 18:43

>>11
The world is moving on. Instead of adapting, you're doubling down on the old and inferior way of doing things. Admit it, you're past your prime. Your skills are now legacy tier. The torch has been passed.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 18:52

Is there a term for this brain disorder, though? This fake neophilia that pretends newer is better by definition, despite ``newer'' at best only ever changing the paint job and intentionally breaking backward compatibility? This mind parasite that, e.g., makes scumbags write endless blog posts about how anyone using a browser that came out more than six months ago is ``holding back the web'' (seriously, google that) as if browsers are doing anything now that they weren't twenty years ago?

When office drones do it you can at least pretend they're doing it to look busy for their employers or to rip off their customers. The free software crowd is just drinking the Kool-Aid, suffering all the drawbacks, and getting zero of the benefits.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 19:02

>>13
People with old or shitty browsers make things harder for web developers because they have to do a bunch of hack-y shit to make things work. When new web standards are published (i.e. HTML5, Ecmascript 6, etc) and people still use shit like Internet Explorer or super old versions of Firefox or Chrome, you have to test everything more and you also have to do shit like fallbacks and separate code checking for the user agent and sometimes delivering different sites based on the browser.

I would much rather develop just for webkit (mostly Chrome and Safari) and Firefox and then nothing else. It's bad enough that Gecko and Webkit render shit differently and that causes problems even when I'm only looking at maintaining a site for a couple browsers. I don't want to be an expert on IE or Edge compatibility shit when they don't even follow standards correctly to begin with. I don't want to deal with autistic boomer users who refuse to install software updates and then claim that I'M the one at fault.

Just install updates and stop using old or bad shit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 19:06

Furthermore, I hate when people imply that cruft is good. Backwards compatibility, aka pretending that software was good in the past, even though it sucked ass and we're just building bad shit on top of bad shit. We need to get rid of legacy cruft. Mercy killings of old people in nursing homes, basically. Old tech is holding us back. You can't move forward when some people are rooted in the past and refuse to change.

Fortunately, however, these kinds of users are the minority. They're a vocal minority, but make no mistake -- your ``old is better'' paranoid freetard boomer attitude is just a small echo chamber here, but most developers and users side with me, not you.

I am on the right side of development history and you're just change-averse people who don't get that the entire point of technology is to get better over time. You are stagnating. Old people have decreased neuroplasticity, meaning it's harder for you to learn or accept new concepts. As such, you use mental gymnastics to justify why you can't adapt. It's a form of cognitive dissonance. If you don't know modern development practices, just claim that old is better. It's a defensive coping mechanism.

Whatever, boomers. You're less and less relevant as time goes on.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-26 22:04

I also have been using the same software since I got back from the Korean War.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 0:36

>>16
How often do you have to replace the tubes?

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 0:44

back in my day, we used vim and lisp and dial-in BBSes... and we liked it

we also had to walk to school 5 miles, uphill, both ways

for fun, we would write c compilers, because we had no internet connections or web developer jobs

yep... those were the good old days *sip*

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 1:55

>>18
Fuck Vim, EDIT/TPU was the bee's knees.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 4:44

>>16,17
Its a subtle Lisp reference i think.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 10:18

>>14
People with old or shitty browsers make things harder for web developers because they have to do a bunch of hack-y shit to make things work.
That's the thing: they fucking don't. HTML and CSS work perfectly fine across browsers, and have for over twenty years. The only things that don't are the sort of ``features'' scumbags like to jerk off to because they think bling is more important than content, but that unambiguously make using the Web more painful for end users.

You have a brain disease. Pull your head out of your ass and look around now, because in ten years you're going to look back on your life and realise that you not only wasted it, you actively made the world a worse place for everyone in it.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 10:26

>>15
the entire point of technology is to get better over time.
This is marketing Kool-Aid and it's so sad. Your browser does nothing that it didn't do twenty years ago. All it did was change semantics for the sake of changing semantics; certainly not to ``improve''.

Old people have decreased neuroplasticity, meaning it's harder for you to learn or accept new concepts.
I'm 27, I just managed to take a step back and look at what we were actually doing. I know it's hard to admit you're fundamentally wasting your life, but try to do the same.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-27 12:20

>>21
the web is more than just plan old HTML and CSS, you boomer.
>>22
Your browser does nothing that it didn't do twenty years ago
You really have no idea about what you're talking about. Yeah, responsive design, single-page applications, all sorts of shit that was never possible before. If you think it's the same, you have no idea about modern web development.
you're fundamentally wasting your life
For my job? Some people clean up shit, some people work at McDonald's. I'm a web developer. All things considered, it could be much worse.

It's weird that you look down on me, when you don't even know what modern web development is like, or you somehow think it's easy or whatever. But you're just out of touch and refuse to admit it.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-28 12:21

>>23
Yeah, responsive design, single-page applications, all sorts of shit that was never possible before.
Discussion of usefulness aside, the fact that you think it's new means you're shit at your job. You could do all of this twenty years ago (and get laughed out of the room for it).

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-28 12:57

>>24
A front-end web developer who is shit at his job? Unheard of!

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-28 13:11

>>24
Yeah buddy, I'm sure we had Bootstrap and mobile sites 20 years ago. No, we didn't.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-28 13:12

Not to mention all the HTML5 and CSS3-specific things that didn't exist in the past. For example, media queries.

I don't get why you're doubling down and pretending all this shit existed when even just like 5 years ago tons of sites were still unoptimized for mobile devices.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-28 13:14

/prog/ just hates anything new. And instead of adapting, you pretend that old things are still relevant, or that new stuff isn't worth learning.

You put more effort into making posts about why you can't learn new shit than it takes to just do it. You can't teach an old boomer new tricks.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-29 18:10

>>26
Bootstrap isn't a browser feature. Serving up different websites (or different CSS) for different browser types is over twenty years old. None of it should be the problem of the end user.
You are shit at your job.

>>27
Media queries (the ones you mean, at least) are cruft. You could do it all with Javascript if you wanted to, and the reason almost nobody did is because it isn't worth doing.

pretending all this shit existed when even just like 5 years ago tons of sites were still unoptimized for mobile devices.

That's because people like you are incompetent and lazy and trying to blame end users for it instead of taking responsibility, not because of any change in available browser features.

Can you pull your head out of your ass for just five seconds? I've written and maintained dozens of websites across almost twenty years, and most of them in the last five. I guarantee that I have more experience doing ``modern'' web dev than you do. Me realising there's no value in whatever bullshit fad you're jerking off to today is not because I don't know about it.
I get it, the sunk cost fallacy is real and it's hard to admit that your professional life is a bad joke at your expense. That doesn't mean it isn't.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-29 20:36

>>15
Quality isn't about old or new, it's about better or worse. Old shit is shit, and new shit is even shittier.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-29 20:46

>>29
Serving up different websites (or different CSS) for different browser types is over twenty years old
You're out of touch. The old user agent thing is obsolete. Nowadays, responsive design is about changing the site on the fly, not have a separate mobile and desktop website.
Old: separate mobile.example.com and www.example.com code bases
New: single example.com site which changes the look based on the device it's on, based on shit like viewport/max-width instead of user agent.
You can pretend this was a thing 20 years ago, but something existing as a concept only doesn't mean it was ubiquitous. These concepts I am describing are current design trends for web development. 20 years ago my ass. We didn't have iPhones and Android phones 20 years ago. Stop doubling down on your incorrect claims.
I've written and maintained dozens of websites across almost twenty years, and most of them in the last five.
And? Tech changes, man. Software development and technological usage was very different in the past. I'm sure you're very adept at old stuff, but it's different now.
I get it, the sunk cost fallacy is real and it's hard to admit that your professional life is a bad joke at your expense.
Quit projecting, buddy. I'm still in academia and my career is just starting. You, on the other hand, sound like an out of touch boomer.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-29 23:06

>>29
You're asking a web developer to think about his life. They have the capacity for introspection of pond scum.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-30 0:20

>>32
butthurt fortran dinosaur detected

I bet you still use OS/2 Warp

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-30 0:20

"The web sucks!" he posted to the website. Hmmm...

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-30 12:43

>>31
Regardless of whether or not you agree with >>1, you can't possibly really be this stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-30 14:31

"Life sucks!" he said, shortly before breathing in air to not die of suffocation. Hmmmm...

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-30 14:36

>>35
I posted >>1 and >>31. I guess you don't have a real comeback since you're just resorting to petty insults now.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-31 8:40

get a larger disk, they are dirtcheap nowadays

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