What does /prague think of Hy?

Decent syntax for Python. Best of both worlds?

http://docs.hylang.org/en/stable/index.html

Also looks more straightforward to use than anything I've seen for JS, but it lacks TCO for functions and you need to use loop/recur.

(Seriouse thread, genuinely want to know.)

The great thing about LISP is not its syntax. The same applies to Clojure. Both are bad and not LISPs.

>>2
Lisp is about homoiconicity, multiparadigm programming, dynamic typing, simplicity and linked lists. Am I missing something?

Hy is homoiconic, multiparadigm, dynamically typed and reasonably simple but it also has the power of the (fairly less bullshit than Java's) Python object system. It's just not based on linked lists, a simple data structure that makes implementing simple recursive algorithms simple, but variable-width vectors, a powerful data structure with much more efficient O(1) indexing that allows for much more and can still be iterated rather simply to emulate a linked list. On top of that, it has native syntax for dictionaries, another powerful data structure you can do anything with.

What am I missing?

Huh huh huh hey Beavis, he said "homoiconic", ummm huh huh huh...

>>3
The problem in all these hosted lisps is that when you want to solve a problem, you immediately just do it the way of the hosted language, only changing the syntax.

sbcl and many other implementations have O(1) random access vectors.

O(1) random access vectors.

Also known as "Arrays"

>>5
How does that make them not a Lisp, as >>2 said?

>>6
Vectors imply compile-time bounds checking, but I do not think that python has that.

>>8
Thankfully, not. Python lists are arbitrary length and still about O(1) access.

I don't think about it at all

I don't even think about dubs.

I still don't understand >>2's point that they are not Lisps, so I'm going to call bullshit.

I like Hy and had some projects in it but it's really too immature to use, with constant breaking changes between versions. so I'm waiting till 1.0 before using it for anything serious. also, I don't like that they removed car and cdr, I get the reasoning but their're are getting too opinionated - I guess it's an influence from Clojure