Does god exist?

Most probably not is the answer you'll usually hear - but the Christian God (as he is described by theists) almsot certainly does not. This is a list of the qualities which God is purported to posess:

* Omniscient
* Omnipotent
* Perfect
* Free
* Omnibenevolent
* Creator of the universe
* Immutable

I realise that there are more, but some of them confuse me; if you were to list every quality God is purported to have, such a God cannot possibly *logically* exist.

Arguments

1. God is a perfect creator, omnibenevolent and rational and creator of the universe
2. Rational perfect creators must create perfection, or have a rational reason to create imperfection
3. The universe (or the things within it) are not perfect
4. Therefore, God is an imperfect creator, or not omnibenevolent, or irrational
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

In relation to point 2, one might say that God made the universe imperfect for whatever reason. If God created it out of love, it would surely be the most perfect thing. If it were anything less than perfect it would mean that God is either an imperfect creator, or not omnibenevolent (another quality of God). In relation to point 3, an objection is that the universe is indeed perfect, but it does not appear so to us. However, this apparent imperfection would be deceptive - it cannot be accidental, as a perfect being makes no accidents. An omnibenevolent being cannot be deceptive (if we categorise deceptiveness as inherently "not-good").

Another argument against the logical possibility of God is as follows:

1. God is a perfect creator and creator of the universe
2. Before the universe was created, the world only contained perfect beings
3. Creating the universe is adding to the world
4. The universe is imperfect
5. The world in which God exists is imperfect
6. Because God is perfect, he would not create a universe which is imperfect, as this would make the world imperfect
7. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

A theist might contest point 4, saying that humans have produced an imperfect world through his own free will. However, this does not account for the "imperfect" things which currently occur or are physically certain to occur in future; this includes the transition of the Sun into a red giant (because it will exhaust it's hydrogen) and increased luminosity, after which it will start to expand and swallow planets.

Another argument is as follows:

1. God is omniscient, omnibenevolent, morally perfect and the creator of the universe
2. Hence, God knows the future
3. God, when creating the universe, knew about the suffering that would follow
4. An omnibenevolent and morally perfect being would not knowingly create suffering
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

Another:

1. If God exists then he is perfect and all-loving
2. God wants to share love because he is all-loving
3. A perfect being cannot need or want
4. Wanting to share love is a want
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

And one more:

1. If God exists then he is omniscient and immutable
2. God must know (and has always known) what it is like to learn
3. To learn, one must have learned something
4. Learning means that one has acquired knowledge of something one did not know before
5. God has acquired knowledge of something he did not know before
6. Hence, God has not always been omniscient
7. Hence, God is not immutable
8. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

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