Gnosis

https://rentry.co/dbvp5zx5

@damnfunnychicken
2 days ago
so in other words big tech companies figured people would circumvent their cirlcejerk and get modern software running with old hardware ...ie x9dri-f w p100 setup or alike to get by somehow in this ai boom.
they dont deserve another penny. theyre going with shady laws for their "rights" do destroy your neighborhood in the name of datacenters, give people a RIDICULOUS almost unmeasurable ammount of ai for far to much money while keeping the sea getting sucked dry for their personal ai which is the main reason for those giant tech centers. theyre nodes. and ones everything is set up, the steering starts. youll understand in time -.- ...when its to late.
u know the sayin in the land of the blind the guy with one eye...is in hell surrounded by mor0n

@trionghost
2 days ago
The time has come to fork the kernel. Make Inux without "L", which will be based on last kernel without this *hit.



@dougphillips5686
1 day ago
going back to freebsd

@ivanpaulostome2895
1 day ago (edited)
Governments worldwide start to "dominate" (or exterminate) free coders, bargaining with them to develop leftist closed source blobs toward population (Public Software) inside free software. The proof is that: the majority of "public" developments are made in "public" universities. Hardware pays a lot of taxes, so they start to develop codes with some specific "needs", and governments start asking Linux users to comply with "peeping tom" free offerings. At the other side, what is maintaining retro communities, are easy to find drivers for old disconnected Windows. Older tools such as Borland are becoming more and more popular nowadays. AI is trying to find hardware flaws that are deemed as "unfixable" to converge government oligarchs and hardware makers interests into a proprietary Linux called "Public Software". Neo rich "Free Software Shiites" (with government ties) against "underpowered pragmatics": Less repos, and less free software culture (less discussions).

@bradleypariah
7 hours ago
I have been using a MacBook Pro 2012/2013 for Linux since literally 2012/2013. Ever since kernel 7 came out, support for my Broadcom chip was basically dropped, and it became impossible to get stable Wi-Fi on any modern version of Debian, Ubuntu, or Fedora. Luckily, there are board adapters and Intel chips online for cheap, so I swapped my NIC out, but I was really taken aback by my hardware just being forgotten like that. Yeah, I know, my laptop is 13 years old. It's got an i7, 16GB of RAM, and an 512GB nVME SSD. How is that not enough for most people, you know?? Why would a machine like that not be supported?

@karlhoffman9817
9 hours ago
I remember in 2024 linux community discussed what will happen if Linus retire or die. Well FOSS Linus is dead and instead we have corporate Linus now. The rust support, there was a previous wave of code removal before... It also indicate that monolithic kernel is facing challenges, probably HURD will replace Linux, some distros already adopting

@WolfgangKovach
9 hours ago
In my country, new hardware is extremely expensive. I started using Linux years ago only because Windows 10 was not compatible with my hardware.
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@tgheretford
10 hours ago
Forcing people to upgrade because of AI at the same time we can't afford to upgrade because of AI.

@chimichuflis
8 hours ago
this is completly true, i have an old dell computer, and had to install w10 on it, cause current linux was not compatible with the video card at all, couldnt find a good way to make it work, switched to an older version of debian, and it worked but flatpak couldnt work properly on older debian versions, so i just gave up, it made me lost a whole day just messing arround with it

@r.l.royalljr.3905
9 hours ago
If anything, Linux Foundation is using AI as a cover for these actions instead of a justification. AI doesn't just reveal bugs in old libraries - it also helps you figure out how to mitigate them. If AI is surfacing more and more issues with old hardware drivers, why should I accept the conclusion of "we should get rid of these drivers" instead of "now that we know there's a problem, we should use AI to fix these drivers"?

@TheAstrospace2
11 hours ago
It's coming to the point where I would rather use Windows XP x64 bit edition with OneCoreAPI than modern linux at this point.
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@GregoryAlbright-t3p
10 hours ago
Oh look anti ai is just the same dorks who complain about everything complaining about this as well.
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@uksuperrascal
9 hours ago
LIKE 23 Try Tiny Core Linux
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@James-l5s7k
5 hours ago
@GregoryAlbright-t3p So you can't take real criticism so you seek to other your opponent. That's pretty evil and small minded of you.

No argument, no principles, just acting in a subhuman manner.

Typical of your kind!

I am now going to write a beautiful pascal program that writes "RUST SUCKS" :

@James-l5s7k
5 hours ago
@GregoryAlbright-t3p So you can't take real criticism so you seek to other your opponent. That's pretty evil and small minded of you.

No argument, no principles, just acting in a subhuman manner.

Typical of your kind!

I am now going to write a beautiful pascal program that writes "RUST SUCKS" :D
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@yumbumgardner2394
5 hours ago
It's time for Linux to be forked.
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@snoflahke6575
10 hours ago
he linux kernel is actively being demoted to 2nd lieutenant

@James-l5s7k
5 hours ago
When I was little, I always wondered who this kernel was...... and why wasn't he a general?



@Rakaziel
6 hours ago (edited)
So the lefties have kicked out the people who actually know what they are doing and trying to substitute skill with

@spectr-t4b
10 hours ago (edited)
Soon Linux requirements would be higher than Windows 11. It will mark a real "year of Linux" !😅🤣😂
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@uksuperrascal
9 hours ago
Try Tiny Core Linux
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@xsyetopz
9 hours ago
It’s time for BSD to shine!

Or just go to T/2 Linux.
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@anthonywalker6268
9 hours ago
We all know he's talking about Brodie.
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@supermanlw
10 hours ago
Speaking practically, as they remove hardware support, what is the service lifecycle? Will the new hardware today have 10 years of long term support? Will support only last for 2 years if AI says it doesn't like it?
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@alxkub
10 hours ago
AI overlords don't want you to use your old hardware.
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@paleopteryx
11 hours ago
Maybe supporting the trans movement is getting more important for them than supporting old hardware.
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@sxkb
10 hours ago
Both are important but neither excludes each other. Also, please do not conflate pink-washing with support
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@1984Variant
10 hours ago
​@sxkb what does supporting an ideology have to do with selling/upkeeping a product?
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@herpderpinson6117
10 hours ago
@1984Variant Spending effort on trumpeting a social meta astroturfed by the Mossad means less attention paid to CVEs being discovered by the Mossad.
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@KenLou
10 hours ago
The trans movement is all about getting rid of hardware.
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@MarquisDeSang
9 hours ago
Linux is the new Windows ans Temple OS is the new Linux
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@Paul-A01
9 hours ago
​@sxkbdo you think their statements about lgbt issues are insincere?
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@ashishkhatri2771
9 hours ago (edited)
I like how all the conservatives have been proven right about how evil this cause is, 15 years later almost everyone agrees. It's even affecting quality of software.
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@awesomeprograms4433
9 hours ago
I'm a trans person, and I NOT endorse any of this. Please don't lump us together with a bunch of hacks.
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@akulkis
9 hours ago
...than supporting ALREADY SUPPORTED hardware.
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@uksuperrascal
9 hours ago
LIKE 59
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@sxkb
9 hours ago
​@Paul-A01 Yes. They companies are always plastering rainbow flags on products to convince us (the LGBT) to buy them. This is no different
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@caela-uk
9 hours ago
The two are entirely unrelated, what the hell g 😭🙏



@caela-uk
9 hours ago
@KenLou where have you learned this from?
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@sxkb
9 hours ago
​@herpderpinson6117 What does the Mossad have to do with the Linux Kernel?



@Paul-A01
8 hours ago
​@sxkbthat doesn't mean they don't believe in it. Do you have any reason to think they don't?
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@kuronoch.1441
7 hours ago (edited)
​​@Paul-A01Their authoritarian actions. Call me crazy but I can see a parallelism between what they are doing and what the Catholics are doing in the Middle Ages, things which they claim to despise. Some of them might be a little too devout in their ideology, which should be anathema for them as claiming to be progressives, but some of them are using their ideology and identity as both a status symbol and a cudgel at the same time to punish those they claim to be veering even slightly away from their orthodoxy, which, again, should be anathema.
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@sxkb
6 hours ago
​@Paul-A01 Actions speak louder than words



@anderxale1
6 hours ago
​@caela-uk It's a poor taste joke about gender-affirming surgery
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@lamikal2515
5 hours ago
@anderxale1 You can accuse him of making bad jokes, but you can't call him a liar.
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@anderxale1
5 hours ago (edited)
​​​@lamikal2515 mmm nobody claimed "liar"... and some add hardware. It's just a bad joke in poor taste, not a lie but also not true.

I'm just defining it. I'm not against or for it. "Who cares" is my take
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@lamikal2515
4 hours ago
@anderxale1 Truth is litteraly binary. Something is either true, or false.
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@anderxale1
4 hours ago (edited)
​​​​@lamikal2515 In terms of booleans you are correct. Human truth isn't so simple. Lying at times has truths, and truths at times have lies. It's the basis of comedy
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@sloppyy
4 hours ago
you guys are obsessed with us
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@lilben4184
4 hours ago
​@kuronoch.1441 W medieval Catholicism. stop trying to make me like transformers
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@Mr.Riojas
7 hours ago
AI is clearly making Linux developers stupid

@Mrclean308
11 hours ago
Exceptional people create awesome things, then if it becomes popular, normal people will take the controls and ruin it. The cycle continues. Unfortunately the awesome can't last forever

@tikkasen_urakointi
8 hours ago
It seems to me that those now removed device drivers weren't actively "supported" to begin with. They were left in the codebase as is, and they worked because driver code doesn't need to be changed that often. And now someone came up with a stupid reason to remove them.
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@raidenab4260
10 hours ago (edited)
I wonder how long it will be before AI deems TPM 2 (or 3) and/or other specifications mandatory for running Linux. That wretched Secure Boot is already implemented... I hope we don't end up wishing for Windows...
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@grumpybeemer8637
3 hours ago
Haiku is looking better and better

@weremax
10 hours ago
The Foundations have been infiltrated and corrupted. Time for a new revolution

@Stabington
12 minutes ago
Maybe this is the time to sort out the increasingly glaring issue that a monolithic kernel, may not be the way. It is actually getting a bit bloated.
I recently booted up my 15 year old T420, trying different OS.
Threw bare bones Devuan on it, ran 'free -h', and over 250 MB RAM used in a tty1 terminal!
Windows XP use less than 100 MB on a graphical desktop. Does it have to be like this?



@30cheesepizzas51
11 hours ago
Really surprising considering how popular retro computers have become.
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@Josh-Kelm
16 hours ago
Just use an old version of Mint. There is an old PC I have that would only take Mint 20 or less for some reason, and I mean 21 literally wouldn't install. Keep some old distro ISOs around. Don't rely on the latest always.

@someusername1
10 hours ago
I think this is an inevitable corollary of the combination of technological progress, the weight of historical development, and (ironically) the success of Linux (especially commercial success).

(As well as to some extent the essentially kernel-bound nature of Linux drivers. I.e. It is in part a technological structure issue).

There was always going to come a time when there was just too much to maintain, when it became too top-heavy, and this would be true no matter how Linux was funded and no matter that LLMs are here now.

But this is also a sign of who is paying the bills. Linux has long since ceased to be a hobby; it's now big business. It's mainly hobbyists who want the old drivers in there but the hobbyists can't afford to pay the bills and mostly can't maintain the code themselves. Again, the broad success of Linux means that hobbyist users are not necessarily hobbyist kernel coders who can maintain code.

Let's just face it: Modern, up to date Linux is lost to hobbyists running old kit. That's gone. That ship has sailed already. LLM AIs are forcing the issue, but it was happening anyway. It was always inevitable once Linux hit commercial success.

But it's not all doom and gloom: Hobbyist use of Linux is not dead. For the use case of most hobby projects there is no harm whatsoever in running old kernels. So what if it's not new and shiny? It's old kit anyway.

Also, the fork word applies here. I can see a time where Linux as we currently know it splinters, where we can no longer think of a singular mainline Linux kernel.

It is entirely possible that we might end up with (1) a commercial, bang up to date kernel (i.e. what is currently the mainline kernel), and (2) one or more 'traditional' kernels that do keep old drivers and have a different, non-commercial ethos, that do support old hardware, and which could in time possibly significantly diverge from mainline commercial Linux. They could be called some else entirely.

Linux (the mainline commercial 'core') would by that time have become near-proprietary, despite presumably still being GPL. Interesting future, isn't it.

Linux as we know it is dead. Long live Linux. (And the BSDs, and even illumos, and the Linuxes of tomorrow that are developing gradually and more quietly).

@OmnisR
10 hours ago
Need a kernel with up to date security patches specifically for old devices



@bimotok757
14 hours ago
There are many Linux distro. I used Buildroot Linux on ARM processor single core 300 MHz, 128 MB storage, and 64 MB RAM for embedded system.



@DustinKrejci
1 hour ago
is any one wanting to cofound a new os with me ?



@qnbits
6 hours ago
I want to install Debian Potato on an old desktop to use the parallel port as a GPIO with python pyparallel.



@glensumner3425
8 hours ago
I installed ubuntu more than 20 years ago on what was then an old machine, I've been doing it for years it is kind what linux has been about. givun up windows ( I have a vm for a few things its never on). Old machines and new they all work the same and old needs not to be thrown away why should it?



@stam_ehad
10 hours ago
Kinda sad,
My first experience with Linux was installing it on eeepc to get some performance out of it



@fredmckinney8933
11 hours ago (edited)
Wow...just wow! I can't believe how Linux is now aiming for MEDIOCRITY! Time to fork Linux, looks like. BTW, I consider AI to be OF THE DEVIL and possibly be the Antichrist itself.
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@ligerstripe99
7 hours ago
Here is what you do since you have money.
1. fork the kernel version from just before the first removal.
2. back-port all other changes, minus the removal. This can be automated.

@ligerstripe99
7 hours ago
Here is what you do since you have money.
1. fork the kernel version from just before the first removal.
2. back-port all other changes, minus the removal. This can be automated.
3. post it as linux-libre.
4. use your money to pay for bug hunters.
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@michaelsanchez1361
5 hours ago
linux-libre already exists



@JoshOsRocks
6 hours ago
I can't even get fedora 44 live environment to load in a vm



@Dinscurge
4 hours ago
not really directly related, but hopefully im wrong and ai isnt an ongoing disaster in general for the human race, but atleast in my not that boomer of a lifetime i have seen even fully developed(more or less) adult people fall into simple traps of using some new tool as a crutch and they become significantly less ingenious, like get into 3d printing or cnc and then that proverb if you're a hammer every problem looks like a nail hits, and they forget you can do other types of fabrication like welding bending forming. i mean schooling in general seems to be becoming a disaster if you were to say theres no geopolitical/socio-economic happenings and everything else was the same, how could kids possibly have degrading literacy or basic arithmetic when they have increased access to research materials/help different techniques, easier access to figure out things like if they were dyslexic or if they are nearsighted and the teacher has them sitting too far back and they cant see good to read. that maybe there was something to that you might not always have a calculator thing, where people just google the problem they are having and its got that purple ive clicked the link before highlight because their memory recall is such a state they just look up the thing they need when they need it and theres no point to remember it at all. least i recall there was countries going towards banning tablets and stuff in gradeschools going back to pencil and paper. or for more goal or results based learners, like say for me i didnt start to practice programming for the sake of doing it, i had things i wanted to do in a way that other people werent doing, if you have to learn a skill to finish a project, that project could get you to learn something you otherwise wouldnt have, if you have a tool that can just do it well enough for you, why learn that skill? how many people started doing things because they had to not for the sake of doing it? i mean how does one know they want to do something for the sake of doing it if they have never done it in the first place? that i think alot of people are gonna get just rekt by being able to hit the gimmie the thing i wanted instantly button, instead of having to deal with the more harsh reality of having to suck at something and do it with great repetition until they get proficient enough to do the things they want to do, not just that one skill, but the maturity the learning experience in general about yourself and the world, how dedication perseverance work, what people mean when they say someone is a hard worker or has good work ethic, time/project management, how things work, how long it takes to do things, how long it takes to learn things, you can start to get ideas about things and yourself



@stony4321
9 hours ago
To bad that was nice to keep a old machine running it instead of throwing it away. I guss I'll have to use net bsd for that.



@billchatfield3064
5 hours ago
These changes are because young people who don't understand why we are where we are, are making bad decisions. They're determined to repeat the mistakes of the past, just like antivaxxers.



@N.A._McBee
16 hours ago (edited)
Linux is about to die. All things in life come in phases, and Linux is phasing out. Let's concentrate on the other options like BSD variants and similar-minded projects. Linus and Greg do not understand yet, that they are going to destroy the groundwork of Linux. The Times They Are a-Changin :)
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@crapmalls
16 hours ago
Does BSD run steam?
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@boyscout399
15 hours ago
I think you overestimate the desire to keep 20+ year old hardware running. If including that device driver opens a security hole in the operating system that no one cares to fix, i'd rather have everyone be secure than support a certain 30 year old mouse.
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@borlibaer
15 hours ago
​@crapmalls😂



@silentJET85
15 hours ago
@boyscout399 Including such a driver wouldn't affect anyone who isn't using that hardware.
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@boyscout399
15 hours ago
​@silentJET85 you say that very confidently. that's probably the case in the majority of the bugs, but some of them might open holes even if not actively being used.
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@chrilinledi6943
15 hours ago
not using computer will make it super secure. why don't everyone do it however?
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@rainmannoodles
5 hours ago
Linux kernel in 2026:
✅ Rusty Clankers

@jakobw135
11 hours ago
Didn’t Linus Torvalds embrace AI?
So what does he say now based on what you just revealed?
Isn’t the point of Linux to run on almost ALL hardware out there?
So WHY are normal people allowing this to happen?



@ruthlessadmin
15 hours ago
Can't the old drivers be made available separately and still be compiled in optionally, or as modules? I can understand cleaning up the main code base, but completely removing old, stable hardware support seems asinine. In any case, how does stable code that doesn't need to be touched, affect a developer's productivity, with or without AI?
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@barbodrz8645
13 hours ago
All of the drivers ware part of the monolithic kernel in Linux but since it's not a micro kernel it won't be separate at. Examples for monolithic kernels Linux and Darwin for macos I think and I think nt for windows and micro kernels are hurd kernel from gnu and minix I think which you gotta fact check some of these but many kernels in use are monolithic ones right and are being updated more often



@User-sj1pl
12 hours ago
Use another distro then? This is how open source software works.



@Vita-Linux
8 hours ago
Just go to BSD, that's what i will have to do at the end, when Arch completely screw things up, after that Void which is already woke, could get worse than what it is, and if Void is not even an option, damn.. i guess go back to Windows and dualbooting with BSD, linux was great, i discovered it for the first time in late 2021, but after just a few years it completely went off the rails



@SarcasticTofu
6 hours ago
It's high time to make a hard fork Linux using the very last Rust free AI free version of Linux Kernel 6.0.19.. Linux seems to be a dead system.. lets fork it and call it something like AliveSys or UAlive (Unix Alive).. just like XLibre has been forked and SonicDE has just born.. then we can add newer hardware support slowly.. The AliveSys should exclusively RUST and WOKE free

@SarcasticTofu
6 hours ago
It's high time to make a hard fork Linux using the very last Rust free AI free version of Linux Kernel 6.0.19.. Linux seems to be a dead system.. lets fork it and call it something like AliveSys or UAlive (Unix Alive).. just like XLibre has been forked and SonicDE has just born.. then we can add newer hardware support slowly.. The AliveSys should exclusively RUST and WOKE free.



@Idonthaveany5150
15 hours ago
this is lame and gay. na for real you will own nothing and be happy.
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@a-soul-saved-by-God-s-grace
14 hours ago (edited)
timestamp 5:19…
Proverbs 24:21-23
21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: •and• ••meddle not•• •with them• •that are• ••given to•• ••change••:
22 For their •calamity• shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?
23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.

[from, the LORD's Book in English{which was nicknamed the KJBible}; which is, the book of the LORD{Isaiah 34:16; Psalm 56:8}]



@yumbumgardner2394
10 hours ago
Linus Torvalds went full capitalist, you own nothing and be very unhappy.
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@grumpybeemer8637
4 hours ago
Linus Torvalds is anything **BUT** a "capitalist". He's blown past socialist to full-out Communist.



@crapmalls
16 hours ago
Pineappley

@grumpybeemer8637
4 hours ago
I had hoped to see the banished Russian kernel developers start up their own fork of the Linux kernel. Maybe even remove any of that infestation of Wayland and Rust code, along with undoing all the malicious damage in GTK+ from the GNOME project

7 hours ago
“They would be glad to have you as a maintainer: put up or shut up”: This is not true. The Linux kernel would NOT be happy to have a random hobbiest or hacker as a contributor: in fact today they rarely allow it: nearly all kernel programmers are paid employees today. Linux’s Code of Conduct explicitly forbids the type of communication style that hobbyists and hackers engage in. Hackers are NOT permitted to contribute to the kernel any longer: go try it: your code will NEVER EVER be accepted these days. So stop being a disingenuous liar. The last hacker derived code that existed in the Linux kernel was reiserfs: it was removed because the current people who have effected a conversion upon what was once the property of hackers: did not like reisers beliefs and actions during a custody dispute: the code worked till the day it was removed: and then the current usurpers entryists and thieves mockingly said they freed up 100kb for wallpapers. Just as they mockingly say go fork it when they then ban anyone who tries from all the platforms they and the companies they are employed by control