I am angry

Angry about politics

Don't be angry.

>>1

I am angry about degree holders looking down on workers with no qualification! 😠

Although /prog/ and /lounge/ are tech-oriented boards (at least to some degree), I think technology is reducing our social interactions and society and culture to triviality.

People are getting shittier, increasingly self-centered, etc. Have you noticed the difference between old-style online communities, such as textboards, and new-age stuff like Facebook or Instagram or Twitter? Old-school stuff always prioritized discussion. Social interaction and togetherness. But new stuff is so narcissistic. You get suggestions for pages you might like or people you might want to follow. Based on what? Based on them being similar to you and your interests. Facebook emphasizes you and your own posts, not interacting with others. It's so vain.

Additionally, tech elite in Google are trying to use their positions to push their left-wing agendas and propagandize the masses. People think working in tech is all about the salary. In reality, it's about the ability to influence social media platforms that millions or even billions of people use. They are subtly trying to sway people more towards the left and eventually it'll get more extreme. They are deplatforming conservatives and trying to sway elections. They are trying to rewrite history. They are trying to use their technology to gain political advantages.

But what can we do about it?

>>4
Nothing needs to be done. Technology is a small blip on the timeline of humanity, it is inherently fragile and temporary.

>>5

You sound like some of the baby boomers I know who think computers and smartphones are just fads.

>>6
Civilizations are just fads.

There's plenty of lost technology from Greek and Egyptian civilizations, and they didn't store their data in digital form. Yet the knowledge was lost due to the general chaos of history. Only a fool would bet on a natural disaster and/or prolonged war NOT causing us to forget how to access digital data at some point in the future.

Remember, "evolution" isn't a linear line where a species develops more complexity over generations, the only reason humanity seems to grow more complex over time is because we keep records and can build on past discoveries. But at some point those records will be lost and we will be as animals again for several centuries. That's why it is gay to talk of the big picture, everything will eventually change so who cares.

>>8

What, are you implying there will be some sort of Mad Max future where technological progress and education are lost and we regress to a more primitive lifestyle again?

>>9
Sounded like xe was saying that rather directly, no ``implying'' involved.

>>10
Sounds like they're hoping that's true. One of those ``prepper'' retards.

مرگ بر آمریکا

>>12
I bet you used google translate

Leftism ruined my friends and family. They just parrot the repetitive SJW doctrine that's everywhere on social media and in academia. They all seem so similar now, all choosing to have values that go along with the mainstream leftist agenda. They can't even think for themselves anymore.

Sexual ``liberation'' has turned my female friends into whores. Many of them are single moms who are complaining about being single moms even though they chose to sleep around without being in committed relationships. It has turned people against their own families because of extreme individualism and anti-collectivism (because caring about a group is racist). They have done away with traditional ideas about religion and instead they worship political ideology. ``Privilege'' this and ``privilege'' that. SJWs are the modern version of Mao's Red Guard. If these people knew anything about history, they'd see how what they're doing is wrong. ``Original sin'' has been replaced with *isms, like racism, sexism, etc. Everyone you don't like is some sort of *ism. Shame them instead of debating them. That's the liberal way.

They are so accustomed to everyone agreeing with them that they LITERALLY SCREAM AND YELL when someone says something that goes against their liberal narrative. I am not exaggerating. They are emotionally stunted and lack any semblance of maturity or personal responsibility. They want universal basic income, free healthcare, free this, free that, legal drugs, ``open'' relationships, gluttony, and just straight-up self-indulgence (like fat acceptance). It's hedonism and anti-family attitude on a massive scale. It's a mind virus and it has infected pretty much everyone I know. I don't know a single conservative person. Everyone is either nihilistic or liberal.

Liberals want to do away with white people and the idea of the traditional nuclear family. I guess families are bad for globalism?

Where are all these supposed conservatives and Trump supporters? Certainly not where I live. But even Trump himself won't support the people who voted for him. No wall will be built, we'll probably have a democrat elected in 2020, and we'll probably have a pointless war with Syria, which is more in line with what neocons want, as opposed to alt right or alt lite. He is starting to resemble corporatists and neocons rather than what his core voter base supports (nationalism, traditionalism, anti-immigration, etc). So don't get the wrong idea and think that I'm a Trump supporter.

Western society is diseased and the cure is traditionalism. Emphasis on the nuclear family and traditional morals instead of modern degeneracy.

>>14
I don't think that you know what ``liberalism'' is.

>>15
Ok smart guy, define liberalism
Are you going to give some ``no true scotsman'' explanation?

>>14

and in academia

Did you study psychology or some other useless subject like that?

Sexual ``liberation'' has turned my female friends into whores

How on earth did you get female friends? What kind of sorcery are you using?

extreme individualism and anti-collectivism

But the point of SJWism is a form of collectivism. What you are saying here doesn't make much sense.

LITERALLY SCREAM AND YELL when someone says something that goes against their liberal narrative

I can't refute that, though I find that this is a common thing in lower humans when someone tries to argue against their beliefs - that sadly includes people all over the political spectrum.

They want universal basic income

What is wrong with that? Many people are being taken advantage of by being paid wages barely enough to let them live.

free healthcare

What is wrong with helping someone in need for free? All of my favourite anime characters do that.

legal drugs

What is wrong with that? Who are you to dictate what I can put in my mouth?

Liberals want to do away with white people and the idea of the traditional nuclear family.

Did they stop you from having a 'traditional nuclear family'?

He is starting to resemble corporatists and neocons

He is a businessman and a billionaire after all.

and traditional morals

Arbitrary morals of an older age instead of arbitrary morals of a modern age, how is this supposed to be better?

>>17

Did you study psychology or some other useless subject like that?

Nice bait, but no, I didn't study psychology. I chose something career-oriented. I think colleges need to restructure and become more like trade schools.

How on earth did you get female friends? What kind of sorcery are you using?

There's this thing called social media. You can also hang out with people. When you know people, you generally know what they think and what's going on in their life. That includes gossip about how they cheat, unplanned pregnancies, and things like that. In some cases, they themselves post this information.

But the point of SJWism is a form of collectivism. What you are saying here doesn't make much sense.

Not really. White SJWs are abandoning their race and instead focus on themselves. There isn't much of a cohesive SJW group because of all the in-fighting on the left. Besides, SJWs have this ``I'm not like the other white people'' mentality.

What is wrong with that? Many people are being taken advantage of by being paid wages barely enough to let them live.

Wow, okay. There isn't much point in replying to you if you're one of them. But I'll take the bait.
UBI is not sustainable. Here's how: with UBI, you need to drastically increase taxes, especially on the rich. Sounds good if you're some socialist fuck, but here's the thing: rich people will flee to other countries for tax havens. Ireland, Switzerland, or other places too. If you tax all the billionaires in the US, and try to drain them dry, do you honestly think they'll stay in the US? No, they will go elsewhere. Then you have a problem where people expect UBI but the government can't afford to keep paying it out. UBI would be a massive cost that wouldn't be sustainable in the long run, especially considering that it ACTIVELY DE-INCENTIVES WORK. Why would you work if you get free money? Additionally, consider that landlords might reject UBI-only people, and inflation and cost of living would increase. If UBI is $1,500/month, rent will be $2,000/month. More money, but no increase in housing. Have you ever stopped to consider these issues, or did you stop using your brain after the whole ``let's make everything free'' pipe dream?

What is wrong with helping someone in need for free? All of my favourite anime characters do that.

Now you're just trolling.
See, I don't even have healthcare at the moment. I will soon though, but it's not cheap. But you know what? I don't expect everyone else to pay for everything in my life. You'd have to increase taxation and you'd run into the issues I mentioned above. When I have something I need to pay for, my first instinct isn't to force the government to pay for it.

What is wrong with that? Who are you to dictate what I can put in my mouth?

I've known people who had drug problems. Weed, prescription drugs, hard illegal drugs, psychedelics, benzos, opiates, you name it. People who are pro-drug tend to be naive college types who have never seen the destruction drugs can cause. And you don't stop to consider how you're funding cartels, either. ``Oh, weed is perfectly harmless!'' except that it really is a gateway drug. I've known plenty of people who started with weed and got into harder shit, and some of them have completely ruined their lives as a result.

Did they stop you from having a 'traditional nuclear family'?

Media is trying to convince white people to not reproduce, to be openly gay or trans, to not get married, to race-mix, to welcome immigrants (and to fund their welfare, and to accept increased competition for jobs, etc). Women are taught that men are rapists and sexists. It's socially acceptable for the news to talk about how white males are evil, or why white women should date non-whites. I already mentioned information about the whole feminism and ``sexual liberation'' thing and how it has affected people I know. People who sleep around get knocked up and become single moms. Shocker! And guess what? Kids who grow up with only a single parent don't do that well. This is a downward spiral. There are serious consequences to promoting degeneracy, though you're probably not even going to listen to me. Your post mentioned anime, after all. You're just a troll.

You're delusional if you think there isn't an anti-white narrative. But then again, you think UBI is a good thing, so I think that's all I need to know about you.

Arbitrary morals of an older age instead of arbitrary morals of a modern age, how is this supposed to be better?

Arbitrary? How are morals arbitrary? Let me guess, you also think race is a social construct? Well, if race is a social construct, and thus doesn't exist, then I guess racism doesn't exist either. But liberals say racism is a problem... yet race doesn't exist? Hmmm...

What's wrong with nuclear families and stability? What's wrong with hard work? What's wrong with self-actualization and personal responsibility? What's wrong with restraint as opposed to indulgence? What's wrong with caring about your community as opposed to being a special snowflake who is only concentrated on oneself?

Me, me, me! Give me free money. Give me free healthcare. Give me free college. Give me drugs. I don't care about my family or my race. Also, sorry mom and dad, but I'm not having kids, even though the most fundamental purpose in life is to reproduce to keep life going on! I'm a non-binary trans asexual otherkin. Look up my pronouns on tumblr! Liberals could advocate for better job opportunities or upward mobility, but instead they want free handouts. Affirmative action is not a real solution to employment issues.

You sound like John Oliver. Is $CURRENT_YEAR your only argument? Things are clearly deteriorating in America. Lots of homelessness, drugs, mental illness, etc. If you think these things aren't on the rise, you must either be in a different country or you just live in a sheltered area. I don't want to dox myself but let's just say I don't live in the safest area. I see the devastation of these issues firsthand. Things are going down the shitter here. But instead of concentrating on actually trying to fix things, people have delusions about how the government will make everything free.

It's weird that liberals make fun of conservatives for ``economic anxiety'' (which, by the way, is a legitimate concern) and make fun of poor white people for having increased competition for low-level work because of mass immigration (which only benefits people who are in power and looking for workers -- it's not good for employees who don't make much as it is). It's weird that liberals pretend to be paragons of virtue who want to help poor people, but mass immigration hurts poor people who are already here. Technocrats will also fuck over poor people with automation. Most techies are liberal.

People in middle class or upper middle class areas, especially those in college who have never really left their safe spaces, don't see these issues. They assume that all white people are as successful as they are, and that's how they fall for the ``white privilege'' lie. Poverty is devastating for everyone, even white people. We should try to focus on bringing people out of poverty so they go from being miserable and a burden to being happy and productive.

Globalism hurts poor people. Increased taxation will lead to businesses and rich people moving to other countries, which will shoot you in the foot. There's a reason why billionaires aren't flocking to Australia to start their new tech startups. It's the taxes.

Additionally, people have this weird notion that wealth can only be distributed rather than created. If people invent things, or do more work, they are creating value. To think that you can only gain money by taking money from someone else makes no sense. Liberals are the kinds of people who want to be given a 9-to-5 job where they don't really have to think, and want all of their needs taken care of. They don't want to have to worry about how their business makes money, or how they could themselves become entrepreneurial and make their own money without taking orders from someone else. The way to solve issues in America is to focus on economic prosperity and job creation. And less immigration, because that does poor people no good. Billionaires benefit from H1B visa misues. Do you even know what that is, or the issues that surround it?

Have you ever seen a listing for an entry-level job with bullshit requirements? Odds are the company doesn't even WANT you to apply for it. They do shit like that to pretend that they are actively seeking domestic employees, but then they say they can't find any, so they NEED to get immigrants. Or sometimes they juts hire internally or have nepotism. The thing is: they are exploiting immigrants. It's not about diversity at all. They want cheap workers. People from third world countries will work for less money than people in the US. This also results in brain drain in the countries they're coming from. Have you ever wondered what it does to Mexico that lots of Mexicans are leaving? It certainly isn't helping. What about other countries, where people are lured by the thought of becoming wealthy in America, so they leave their country that paid for their upbringing and will never be able to recoup the taxes that paid for their education and whatnot?

Globalism benefits people who are already successful and is only going to make income inequality worse. It's completely devastating to third world countries.

I am a mixed race second generation American (but I ``pass'' as white) and I get called a racist or sexist if I point out this country's numerous issues. People often see me as white because they have this us vs. them mentality and have a hard time understanding that life isn't as simple as either being 100% A or B. My political views and ethnic background are a little more nuanced than that. But you know there's a problem when you're not even allowed to speak about the problems without people lashing out at you. I can't side with hardcore alt-righters because ``muh one drop rule'' but I'd never fit in with modern liberals because they're fucking insane. But liberals are the ones who are radicalizing the right. I have non-white friends and family, and up until recently, things were okay, but race relations are rapidly deteriorating. Liberals race-bait way too much.

But yeah, it's easier just to believe what news and social media says. This is a safe space! You're triggering me by making me use my brain! You're not allowed to challenge my preexisting liberal beliefs! Help!!!!

It's nice to condense worldviews down to tweet-sized soundbytes rather than exploring the more intricate details of these problems. You don't have to think as much if you just accept what people already tell you. Just listen to John Oliver, he'll tell you how to think. He knows what you should believe in. It's 2018, come on! Oh yeah, and Bernie Sanders? hey ``let's fight the 1%'' guy? He has multiple homes and millions of dollars. AND he has a cult following too. He's rich and egotistical, but liberals somehow think he's a man of the people, even though he's only said feel-good shit with no economic viability. Liberals are ruining this country.

Oh yeah, and pretty much all the worst cities in the US are run by democrats.

I have been trolled.

>>18
And before someone tries to pigeonhole me into some category, here are my criticisms of the right:

Global climate change is real, pollution is bad -- how the fuck can rePLEBlicans not get this? Big oil sucks. Let's try not to fucking destroy our planet and, you know, convert to alternative sources of energy. Job creation along the way, too! This is a real way we can help people in poverty. Create more jobs and job training programs. No handouts, but no ``poor people can just choose not to be poor'' attitude either.

Pointless wars are a waste of time and money, and also bad for international relations. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't spend money on military. If we stopped spending on military, we'd be fucking destroyed by China or Russia. In any major world war, only the US, Russia, and China have any chance of winning. Everyone else would get fucked. That's why so many weak countries are in defense agreements with these countries. I guess, to a lesser extent, you've got the UK, Israel, France, Pakistan, India, and Japan (maybe -- they are rebuilding their military, now that the old WWII shit is ending). People freak out over North Korea but they only have a few nukes, and they're not long-range enough to hit much. So pointless wars are bad, but the liberal pipe dream of disarming doesn't make sense either. The first person to disarm loses. It's really that simple.

Trump is not going to build a wall, and even if he did, California would let immigrants in anyway. So we need to do a lot of reform. People like the wall because it's an easy way to express a complex issue. But it's not a complete solution to this multi-faceted issue.

Many republicans are less about nationalism and more about supporting big corporations, who often bribe them or ``donate'' to their ``non-profit'' or ``campaign'' or whatever. It's basically bribery though. I would call these losers corporatists, who mislead people into thinking they're the same brand of conservatism that many people are into. Just like how the left has out of touch rich people like Bernie Sanders, the right as out of touch rich people too.

Many republicans claim to be in favor of conservative values but at the same time are in favor of increasing government overreach.

Taxes are okay the way they are, and perhaps instead of even more tax breaks, we should use that same amount of money into improving public infrastructure. Roads are shit. Pipes are shit. Public education is shit. This country is falling apart in many regions. Tax increases are bad, but libertarians who think 0% taxes are good are fucking morons.

>>18

Nice bait

I wasn't supposed to be a bait.

I chose something career-oriented

Oh no, another wageslave.

There's this thing called social media

Ah, so they are not friends, they are ``friends''.

SJWs are abandoning their race

Do they change their colour like Michael Jackson? I can't really see how they would abandon their race otherwise.

and instead focus on themselves

I doubt that they demand free healthcare only for themselves. Also, what point would it be to demand all these anti-racism laws when they can't use them themselves?

There isn't much point in replying to you if you're one of them

Do you prefer to talk only to people who agree with you on every issue then? What would the point of that be? It would only create a circlejerk.

you need to drastically increase taxes

Just print more money, lol.
Though, I admit that I have a negative impression on UBI.

Now you're just trolling.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is trolling.

You'd have to increase taxation and you'd run into the issues I mentioned above.

It so happens that every european country that I am aware of has such a healthcare system yet this is clearly not an issue for them.
In any case, the alternative would be to let some poor homeless man like redcream die of AIDS because he didn't have proper healthcare.

I've known people who had drug problems. Weed, prescription drugs, hard illegal drugs, psychedelics, benzos, opiates, you name it

Cool, that's their problem though.

I've known plenty of people who started with weed and got into harder shit

You know many subhumans, huh?
I am not supporting the legalisation of weed only, I am supporting the legalisation of all such substances as well as the legalisation for alcohol for people less than 18/21/whatever.

Media is trying to convince white people

That means that either the media use correct arguments (doubtful), or that the people who get convinced have heard of other arguments that were not said by the media or just that they were retarded who can't into logic and believe everything that they are told - this is their problem to be honest. I for once am glad that such mental midgets will not reproduce.

to be openly gay or trans

If this is how they feel then why should they force themselves.

You're just a troll.

Yeah, just like everyone who does not take all of your words for a fact.

if you think there isn't an anti-white narrative

Never claimed that.

you also think race is a social construct?

No, not really.

so I think that's all I need to know about you.

Should I be gassed?

How are morals arbitrary?

How are they not?
"Oh no, he didn't go to church this Easter, boo!"
"He put a cucumber in his anus, let's lynch him!"
"He watched CP, the horror! Throw him to the fire!"
Though, I failed to see in your post any arguments about morals.

as opposed to being a special snowflake who is only concentrated on oneself?

As you saw above, your thinking is reversed.

Give me free college

How is this bad in any way?

I don't care about my family

Nice assumption about the people who simply hold different opinions when compared to yourself.

or my race

Race is not a living entity and race-mixing is only your personal choice as it affects only you. Why should anyone care about such a thing? What did their race do for them?

Also, sorry mom and dad, but I'm not having kids, even though the most fundamental purpose in life is to reproduce to keep life going on!

Again, their personal choice as it affects only them. I fail to see why you try to criticise everyone who simply does not enjoy the same things as you.

Is $CURRENT_YEAR your only argument?

Never made a time-based argument.

Things are clearly deteriorating in America

You might want to consider to change your policies then.

Lots of homelessness

Surprise surprise! Social welfare helps with that.

that liberals make fun of conservatives

By definition conservatives are liberals.

will lead to businesses and rich people moving to other countries

And?

>>19

Taxes are okay the way they are

Yeah no, "we will tax you when you get your money, when you spend it, every year for every home that you have and was taxed when you brought it anyway, when you have a lot of money on your bank account, etc - oh, and we will give that money to the banks and the police that defend us from victimless crimes! We wouldn't like them to collapse, would we?"

>>11
No retard it's just obviously what will happen in due time. Holy shit you must be retarded.