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Introduction to /lounge/ newfag edition

Name: Anonymous 2018-06-29 12:30

Things /lounge/ is for (pro):

Guns
Freedom
Trucks
Jesus
Beer
Hunting
Praying
Gardening
Camping

Things /lounge/ is against (anti):

Programming
Pedophilia
Leftism
Cities
Public transport
Niggers
Technology
Welfare

Name: Anonymous 2018-06-29 12:40

I am pro those things but also pro coffee, dilbert (comic) and pets. On the anti side I agree but would add tea, jews and glasses to the list.

Name: Anonymous 2018-06-29 13:21

``The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.'' -Ted Kaczynski

Name: Anonymous 2018-06-29 13:53

I'm am pro amateur BBCode

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-06 13:23

Can we have a /g/ ?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-06 16:52

>>1
Sounds like some /boomer redneck general/

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-07 4:57

confirmed lounger here
I'm not antinigger

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-07 15:33

>>7
But are you pro or anti tsk?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-07 18:18

Pedophilia
Explain Nikita then.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-07 18:54

Things I like:
Nature
Being good to the environment
My people
Racial homogeneity
Christianity
Standing up for what you believe in
Being assertive
Traditional culture and values
Being a part of a community
Family values
Asceticism
Stoicism
Marriage
Healthy living
Programming
Weight lifting
Reading
Space
Respectful traditional gender roles -- men and women are indeed different but don't be a dick about it
It's not a bad thing that men and women are different
The concept of higher education
Loyalty in a relationship
Monogamy

Things I dislike:
Hyper-individuality
Hyper-sexuality, aka ``sexual liberation'' where people care more about sex than meaningful relationships
Social media
Pointless wars
Giving people the freedom to be useless and only live for pleasure
People who prioritize individual freedom to enjoy yourself over the collective freedom to advance as a society
People who think freedom is more important than morals -- you really want peopel to be free to be immoral and hedonistic?
Hedonism/gluttony/greed
Modernity
Postmodernism (``everything I don't like is a social construct'')
Thinking that letting people walk all over you and your beliefs (being ``tolerant and accepting'') is somehow a good thing
Nihilism
Feminism
MRAs, MTGOW, and incels
Consumerism
Video games, anime, and other ``geek'' or ``nerd'' shit
LGBT and other such degeneracy
Self-harmful degeneracy such as drugs, alcohol, unhealthy food, and so on (your body is a temple)
Globalism
Pollution
Atheism
TV
Movies
Newspapers and online news/indoctrination sources
Mass immigration
Civic nationalism
Neoconservatism
Socialism
Capitalism
Communism
Overuse of technology
Data mining/death of privacy
Overpopulation
Leftist indoctrination in academic institutions
People thinking the status quo is the best just because it's how things are right now

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 7:30

>>10
How can you be both against the death of privacy and against giving people the freedom to be useless and only live for pleasure?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 7:35

>>10
How can you be listing all you gay ass opinions when they aint even /lounge/? WTF dude maybe not?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 7:36

>>9
He goes in the dislike column, Russia goes in the like column.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 9:55

>>10
My people
"Your" people?

Racial homogeneity
Why?

Christianity
The religion that tells you to follow the laws of the realm as long as it does not go against it? Sounds like a cuck religion to me, made to please the authority.

Traditional culture and values
"Oh no, he had sex before marriage! Murder!"

Family values
Explain please.

Asceticism
"Pleasure is badlol."

Stoicism
The Greek version or the shit version.

Marriage
Bad, you should make a robot harem instead.

Respectful traditional gender roles -- men and women are indeed different but don't be a dick about it
Explain then, what if a woman wants to become a programmer and never marry?

Giving people the freedom to be useless and only live for pleasure
What is wrong with that?

People who prioritize individual freedom to enjoy yourself over the collective freedom to advance as a society
You can enjoy yourself while helping society.
Also, the second is not a freedom.

People who think freedom is more important than morals -- you really want peopel to be free to be immoral and hedonistic?
What is moral? Why is hedonism bad? Why do you want to dictate what the others do when it does not affect you?

Hedonism/gluttony
What is wrong with these?

Nihilism
Only someone who can't think for himself would claim that Nihilism is a bad thing.

incels
Being a virgin is somehow bad now?

Video games, anime, and other ``geek'' or ``nerd'' shit
"Yeah, fun sucks!"

LGBT and other such degeneracy
"People should not be allowed to love whom they love!"

Globalism
Globalism is great: the internet is an example of globalism - we would not be able to talk right now if not for globalism. Why are you against the sharing of information?

Mass immigration
Sure, the unbalance caused by it is bad, what would you suggest instead however? Force these people live in poverty? Force them to live in bombed shitholes with anti-freedom regimes?

Civic nationalism
I agree, all forms of nationalism are bad.

Overuse of technology
What is wrong with it?

Leftist indoctrination in academic institutions
Explain, I don't remember anyone telling me that type systems are racist because black people can't into logic while I was in uni.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 11:22

>>14
Didn't read

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 17:31

>>1
Tsk.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 18:26

>>14
"Your" people?
Yes, my people. Not my problem if you don't understand a simple concept like that. It's normal to want to be a part of a group -- family, friends, local community, and race. Modern globalists are trying to cut our bounds to our people. They want us to be raceless, tribeless drones who are unable to rise up and overthrow elites. They want us to have no identity so that they can dictate our entire lives -- what to eat, what to buy, what culture to partake in, who to vote for, and so on.
Why?
I have traveled to racially homogeneous countries. They were not white, but there was still something special about them. I obviously didn't fit in, but I think racial homogeneity is best. Multiculturalism breeds secret resentment, hostility, fighting, and it just doesn't work except in some utopian pipe dream. Blood is thicker than politics. Blood is thicker than the constitution.
The religion that tells you to follow the laws of the realm as long as it does not go against it?
What's wrong with a moral compass and rules? Do you want anarchy and amorality or immorality?
"Oh no, he had sex before marriage! Murder!"
I've gotten laid and I'm not married. It doesn't have to be Amish levels of tradition. But I don't want the world to be as degenerate as it is now. And it's not just how things are right now -- it's where they're headed. You know how you can differentiate a function to tell the slope of the tangent line? You can see where it's headed, not just where it is right now. And it's not just that things are bad now, but they're changing to be even worse in the future. Sure, maybe it will be better for some people (namely, globalist elites). But things will be significantly worse for me in the future if current trends don't stop.
Explain please.
Family values:
Gender roles, marriage, having kids, raising kids well instead of letting degenerate public school or iPads or whatever determine their world views, staying together instead of getting divorced, faithfulness, love, care, community involvement, and overall being a good person.
Anti-family values: drugs, degeneracy, negligence, abuse, single parents, divorce, raising your kids on degenerate stuff like video games or liberalism, etc.
"Pleasure is badlol."
Pleasure should be a motivational reward, not something you live for all the time. If you look at Geert Hofstede's 6 cultural dimensions, one of them is indulgence. Most countries are nowhere near as indulgent as the west. This is, of course, partially due to poverty, but I think the west has a different kind of poverty: cultural and moral poverty. Western civilization is becoming increasing gluttonous and disgusting. There are many people who only live for leisure. Bread and circus is their reason for putting up with the daily grind. There should be more to purpose than that.
The Greek version or the shit version
???
I just mean emotional maturity, basically. Not being consumed by your emotions, not falling for media manipulation of emotions, and so on. Being in control of the way you feel and being able to maintain composure. Not having useless emotional outbursts. It's okay to feel things, but be in charge.
Bad, you should make a robot harem instead.
I'm being serious here and you're just joking.
Explain then, what if a woman wants to become a programmer and never marry?
Why not become a programmer and still marry? Or why not be a stay-at-home mom? People are shaming stay-at-home moms, as if it's a bad thing. It is not. It's very respectable to do something difficult like raising a family. Modern parents don't raise their kids. They buy them Minecraft or iPads and then ignore them. They don't teach their kids values. They let public school poison their minds with statist ideas. They buy them fast food so they don't have to cook. That is somehow accept now. Being a stay-at-home mom is a full-time job. It is by no means easy, nor should people look down on it. It's hard but also very important. What's better for a family -- two parents with careers, neither of whom pays attention to their kids, or one breadwinner and one parent staying home raising the kids? What does extra money buy you? More consumer garbage? A new iPhone, a new Tesla, a more expensive apartment in the city instead of a cheaper place to live? Once you have enough, does extra money enrich your life? there's more to life than income, so long as you have enough. The only times both parents should work is if they can't make ends meet. But that's a symptom of bigger societal problems, which are exacerbated by mass immigration and other poor policies that keep poor people poor.
What is wrong with that?
I know millennials and gen Z are marketed to by corporations in such a way that they're convinced they're the center of the universe, but really, there's more to life than just you. There's more purpose to my own life than just me. I want to have a family, continue to be a contributing member of multiple local communities (friends, software development, church, etc), and I think humanity needs goals. Not just individual goals like getting a job or saving for retirement. I mean, as a species, what are we going to do? I think we should move to other planets and explore the universe. I want to know more about what we are, what else is out there, why we're here, what else we can do in existence, and things like that. You might think that goes against religion, but not in my book. I am less interested in deities and more interested in community and morals (moral absolutism), even if that means sort of pretending to be Christian even when I'm not traditionally Christian. But it's still important to me. You wouldn't understand. I am interested in existentialism and having the human race explore the universe and all that jazz, but I also think religion helps keep us stable. Maybe that will break down later down the line, but for now, its purpose is pretty important: keeps families together, discourages degeneracy, and gets people to partake in a social community at least once a week.

No man is an island. We need to bond with other people. But it has to be selective. In-groupers and out-groupers. Accepting any old person, such as people who might subvert your group and support things that go against your own best interests (or the interests of your family/friends), is really bad. If you have a web server for a website with a form, would you accept any old input (which could potentially be malicious), or would you validate it first and discard bad data? Treat communities the same way.

>You can enjoy yourself while helping society.
Also, the second is not a freedom.
It's true, you can enjoy yourself while helping society. But that satisfaction is more than what a lot of degenerates do. Degenerates drink, smoke weed, play games, watch Netflix, and overall, just concentrate on escapism. It says a lot about society when people are so upset with their lives that the only thing they enjoy is fantasy or physical pleasure. But life should be more meaningful than that. I have a strong sense of purpose. I have goals. There are plenty of things that need to be done.

And the second thing is indeed a freedom. Ultra emphasis on individuality goes against the emphasis on the group's best interests. There are emergent properties at different scales. Individuals, who are separated from groups, only want to serve their immediate interests and desires. People should not have the freedom to waste their lives doing useless shit. People should not have the freedom to be lazy or be useless. We should all be contributing towards greater goals of society. Right now, everyone is polluting the world. No one individually seems that responsible, since our problem is divided among billions of people. But collectively, it's a problem.

If we privilege individuals over the group, we will all die. Pollution, capitalism, relaxation, hedonism. Our goal should be sustainability, harmony, purpose, advancement (not "progressivism" because that's actually harmful newspeak that doesn't mean what it sounds like it means), saving the earth, and moving to other planets in order to continue to exist.

What is moral? Why is hedonism bad? Why do you want to dictate what the others do when it does not affect you?
Morality is doing the right thing. Do what is right. Just because you can do something bad doesn't mean you should. You need to survive, continue the existence of your kind, and find out more about the universe. Degeneracy goes against that. Welfare states mean laziness and plateauing. Mass immigration threatens people's livelihoods, which makes it hard to continue. LGBT discourages people from continuing their lineage. On the one hand, I know the world is overpopulated, but on the other hand, degeneracy encourages people to be exceedingly selfish and useless. It's easier to point out these problems than it is to solve it. After all, we have billions of people and no one has fixed these issues yet.

Hedonism is bad because of the hedonic treadmill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill
Pleasurable things only feel good in contrast to regular or bad things. If you do pleasurable stuff all the time, it just becomes the norm. If you never smoke weed and then get high once, the contrast to being sober is what makes it feel good (but it also makes you lazy and useless and degenerate). But someone who smokes weed everyday doesn't feel the same. It just becomes routine, not as special as the first time you got high, or not as special as the feelings someone gets if they only smoke or drink on special occasions. What I am saying is that the brain is very good at adjusting to pleasure and then being bored with it. But in addition, there is more to life than feeling good.

People have responsibilities, and pleasure should only be a reward for when you've done something right. Not a daily thing. You get a "runner's high" after working out. That is your brain's system of rewards thanking you for doing what is right (being fit is very important). Sex feels good because reproduction keeps your species going on. We are continuing to find ways around this system of motivation in order to just feel good without ding anything important.

I encourage you to read Amusing Ourselves to Death.

What is wrong with these?
I already explained above.

Only someone who can't think for himself would claim that Nihilism is a bad thing.
I used to be nihilistic, back when I was more depressed and felt like nothing mattered. But now that I have a strong sense of purpose, I think nihilism is self-defeating, since you feel like you shouldn't even bother if everything is pointless and meaningless. You can try to intellectualize it, but at the end of the day, it is highly demotivating. It also makes some people think it's okay to be immoral.

Nihilism is a lazy way to think about existentialism. I suppose you could describe me as a curious agnostic, and it's that existential curiosity that keeps me going. I am not really monotheistic per se, but Christianity is still a useful tool in societal functions. And Christians are nice. Conservative Christians at least don't hate my demographic. How can I support nihilistic/atheistic liberals who want to replace me and my people with immigrants?

Being a virgin is somehow bad now?
There is a difference between being a virgin and being an angry loser whose entire identity revolves around that fact. Incels are pathetic.

"Yeah, fun sucks!"
Think of how much more productive young generations could be if they didn't waste time on pointless things like video games. Besides, modern games have aspects of gambling incorporated into them. It's a cash cow. It's just another capitalist industry that wants to suck as much money out of people as possible. Capitalism is a plague on society. Video games are escapist, are they not? How about we fix society so that people actually want to partake in it, instead of resorting to fantasy to try and pretend that they're not here?

Lastly, the "fun" thing goes back to my writing about hedonism/gluttony/bread and circus.

Globalism is great
What a naive thing to say. Globalism is more than the internet. I'm not even going to bother going into that because of how ignorant that comment is.

Globalism creates a few winners and many losers. Pointing to the successes and ignoring all the people who are marginalized as a result is completely idiotic.

I guess I should specifically say capitalist globalism, since there are things we as a species need to accomplish. But elites just want money and don't care about greater purpose in society, aside from their own political agendas to push.

The internet, being a way for non-elites to talk to each other, is nice and all, but that's like saying a prison is okay because prisoners can talk to other prisoners in different cells. We are all trapped in the capitalism Ponzi scheme system that is setting itself up for failure in the future, though elites just hope that future generations will figure out magical solutions to problems such as overpopulation or climate change. Or maybe deep down they know that they're fucking everything up and they just don't care because they'll be dead before it affects them.

Sure, the unbalance caused by it is bad, what would you suggest instead however?
You think immigration solves poverty? Is this a joke?
Brain drain makes countries people move away from even poorer. You think it's good and progressive to have all the doctors and engineers move away from a third world country to America? Have you ever wondered what happens to that country? No skilled workers stay there. Then what? It's just a downward spiral. Sure, some people send money back to their home country. But that isn't enough to offset the negative effects of everyone leaving.

Additionally, mass immigration makes poor people in western countries stay poor, or even get poorer. There will never be $15/hour minimum wage like some liberals preach about, if mass immigration continues. There is an increase in competition for jobs in order to keep labor prices down.
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Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 18:27

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>>14
Also, have you thought about the cultural implications? Cultures aren't all compatible. Besides, no one is pushing for "diversity" in African, Middle Eastern, or Asian countries. It's just European countries. You know why? It's not about diversity. It's about money. Elites, who care more about themselves and not about their communities, want to make as much money as possible, and they can afford to buy media outlets to convince people that it's for different reasons. The media creates public opinion. It doesn't just report on public opinion. It tells you what to think. Media is pro-immigration and that gets you to be pro-immigration as well. But billionaires benefit more from it than anyone else. They already own companies, so reducing costs can make them richer. It's easier for rich celebrities or business owners to tweet about how we should let more immigrants in. They can say that from the safety of their gated communities, which are usually all white and low crime. But they are far removed from the average person. Multiculturalism causes problems for the host country's citizens, the immigrants, and the country people are moving from.


Think about it: who really gains from immigration? You think immigrants are getting rich? No, many of them are working low pay jobs, or being paid less than industry expectations. The people who benefit are the people employing them. Or the capitalists selling them things. Pretty much no one else.

Nowadays, capitalism creates products and then manufactures artificial demand. Old-school business was that supply was created as a response to demand. But nobody demanded coca cola. That is the result of marketing. You buy things because people pay to get you to want to buy things. Marketing and advertising is like a mind virus. Globalist plutocrats want to increase population by any means necessary in order to sell more products to make more money. Who knows why. Jeff Bezos has more money than he will ever spend in his entire life, but I think he is morally bankrupt. He is killing off small businesses and paying warehouse workers extremely low pay and working them to the breaking point.

I encourage you to think critically about immigration instead of the "if you don't like immigration, you're a racist" fallacy.

Force these people live in poverty? Force them to live in bombed shitholes with anti-freedom regimes?
There are plenty of people in poverty in America. Why do you care MORE about people who don't even live here than the people who already do live here? Are you seriously implying that we don't have poverty here? Tons of Americans are poor as fuck. If you TRULY cared about poor people, you'd want us to help poor Americans first. Mass immigration creates a permanent underclass of people. It's not as altruistic as you think it is. Besides many immigrants are not refugees. And even if they are, why are they entitled to our help and resources, even at the cost of marginalizing low-income Americans?

Would you personally let a lot of homeless people live in your home or apartment? That's basically what this is, on a national level. We need to help people who are poor in our own country before we take on additional problems. But as I mentioned before, racial homogeneity is a good thing. Black people in Africa don't have to worry about white racist cops. Chinese people in China don't have to worry about Back Lives Matter encouraging violence against their own race.

Society is a thin veneer. We all belong to tribes whether we like it or not. You will have the highest quality of life living among your own people.

bombed shitholes
Who do you think is doing the bombing in a lot of cases? Western interference causes instability in many countries. Why aren't you complaining about that? America fucked up Syrian, then all of a sudden Syrian refugees needed to flee to other countries. Put two and two together. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't fuck with other countries to begin with! Sure, they have problems. But we have our own problems too.

I agree, all forms of nationalism are bad.
I don't like civic nationalism because it's too soft. You seem to dislike it for being too strict. You and I apparently don't see eye to eye.

What is wrong with it?
People are always on their phones. Tinder is destroying traditional relationships. Twitter, Facebook, etc. are giving people political propaganda and poisoning their minds, and also destroying their attention spans. Apps let people buy things with no social interaction whatsoever. Many people who play video games do it by themselves, or only online instead of in person. We are creating social problems with technology. Also, technology will automate a lot of jobs and put many people out of work, creating even more societal and cultural problems.

As a programmer, I like tech to some degree, but I can't help but feel like it's harmful in many ways. Many people in this field are in denial about that.

Saying I can't be a programmer who criticizes tech would be like saying a cancer patient can't say cancer is bad. I know it better than most. I know it's bad.

I am sticking with this career for the money because there aren't many other good options. This is because of problems with morals, culture, and society at large. These power structures are flawed but out of my control to fix.

I do want us to develop tech to get to other planets and maybe teraform mars, though it might turn out that it's impossible. It might also be impossible to sustain human life like this where we're extremely wasteful and causing so much pollution and global warming.

I'm not a complete luddite, since technology isn't just computers. Technology is everything from fire to wheels to writing systems to agricultural tools. But not all technology is good. Computing tech has been great in some ways, but terrible in others. It's not just what it is, but how it's used that's bad. Maybe computers would be good in an authoritarian deep ecological society, but currently computing is used mostly as a tool for capitalism.

Explain, I don't remember anyone telling me that type systems are racist because black people can't into logic while I was in uni.
When did you go to college? Because SJWism has ramped up in recent years. I have literally had a CS professor complain about there being too many white people in CS classes. I have also had to take many non-CS classes for my degree and they are often just political propaganda. Mostly lefist, too. My beliefs are almost all counter to what college teaches, aside from how I care about the earth.

The only politicized class I'm glad I took was one that taught me about environmental issues. That is an important part of my system of beliefs now.

College is extremely political for many people, even if it wasn't for you.

After reading this, you might try to pigeonhole me as republican or alt right or something. I am neither. Media tries to get you to think in terms of us vs. them, as if it's so cut and dry.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 18:43

I just realized I made a few typos here and there, but you still get the main idea.

Don't change these.
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