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NPCs are not soulless automatons

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-14 9:09

NPCs are egregore-controlled humans, they still have an independent mind but their mind is enslaved and used as a tool for expressing the egregore mind, like a two-way radio channel.
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore
Its possible to disrupt the link to egregore by subversive thought insertion(aka memes), allowing the original mind to assert its will and independent thought. The egregore can't focus on multiple mental challenges simultaneously and the "radio channel" has limited capacity.
NPCs can be reformed to PCs.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 12:26

>>39
Narrative shift into thoughtless claims of thoughtlessness of people who disagree with you, without an attempt to actually educate them or defend own views in any way.
It's not much better than just claiming those who disagree with you are evil and want to destroy amurica.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 12:29

>>41
That not the narrative shift i talk about. The narrative shifts to the idea that society is filled with NPCs and counter-claims that X's are not NPCs and Y's are NPCs. Its self-reinforcing as NPCs start labeling and promoting "NPC" as a general category.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 12:37

Once the culture has absorbed the NPC concept fully, its ripe for mass self-realization and reform. The NPC meme is serving as a fuse to the powderbox of public's mind.
>>41 Educating NPCs is not possible without breaking their conditioning.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 15:49

>>34
Hurrr “there’s no such thing as ethics everything is just a social construct bro you were programmed to believe it by (((them))). you should believe my axioms instead or else your’are a sheeple.”

You can use this rhetoric to promote literally any position. There’s no innvovation here upon the postmodernist (?) Marxist deconstruction philosophy. You’re just applying it to your own beliefs instead.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 22:18

>>44
Are you the same person he was responding to? Because, if so, you didn't bring up ethics to justify fearing genocide you brought up "natural selection" even though it is obvious genocide is a part of natural selection. Humanity is a product of extreme brutality and competition just like everything in nature, that's what natural selection is. You can't have it both ways, either "ethics" are meaningful and not a "social construct" or natural selection is important.

But it's ridiculous because ethics are merely a survival strategy and not universal in any way. You were programmed to believe in your ethics due to your tribe selecting for that trait, and also selecting for "reasoned discussion" being a way to deescalate direct violence. Many other tribes have been programmed in a different way, the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve embracing genocide.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-15 23:45

>>45
Because, if so, you didn't bring up ethics to justify fearing genocide you brought up "natural selection" even though it is obvious genocide is a part of natural selection.
Genocide and eugenics is artificial selection by definition. It is using human creativity to alter the natural course of evolution. Genocide is not the same thing as, say, a superior lion subspecies out-competing an inferior lion subspecies to extinction. In nature, such a scenario could only be sustainable when the victor is actually better adapted to its environment. Adaptation to one's environment is also a prerequisite for our existence. So here I claim that adaptation to one's environment in itself is a prime facie important objective for humanity. It being a prerequisite for human existence serves as a justification for the use of natural selection as a source of axioms (that is independent of culture).

Artificial selection by humans can happen regardless of adaptation to environment. This is what makes it bad. Pakistanis could nuke Africa tomorrow, but that wouldn't make Pakistanis better adapted to the African environment. So because genocide is a disturbance of the natural order (the only source of axioms guaranteed to be independent of cultural programming), genocide can be considered wrong in the absence of cultural programming or social constructs.

You can't have it both ways, either "ethics" are meaningful and not a "social construct" or natural selection is important.
False dichotomy. Ethics builds upon and patches our biological base. It is a social construct, but so is everything that humans do with their brains. Correctly identifying something as a social construct isn't the same thing as providing a reason for it being bad.

Many other tribes have been programmed in a different way, the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve shitting in public.
This PC gnosis seems to boil down to realizing that you don't actually have to follow "The Rules." Good for you, I guess, but it seems really insincere when all you're trying to do is promote your own political agenda to replace Those Rules.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 11:41

>>45
the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve embracing genocide
you were programmed not to eat shit, you must be a NPC unless you eat shit

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 11:44

>>47
genocide and eating shit are the same and should be thought about in the same way

Am I quoting you correctly dude?! Edited on 16/10/2018 11:46.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 11:45

NPC:The ability to reject programming requires doing the exact opposite of the programming. There are only two options.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 12:00

Stop oppressing NPCs #GreyLivesMatter

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 12:15

Lifehack for Left-wing NPCs, reduce painful thinking: http://npcsimulator.com/

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 12:20

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 21:01

Solipsism came back, baby, and it still sucks ass!

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 21:37

>>53
I don't think it's solipsism, but definitely a heavy distrust of the world and its mechanics to a similar unbearable level.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-16 21:38

Also, check these fucking dubs you fucking bastards

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 1:35

NPC: Look at my post number. Its very unique and special like myself.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 2:16

>>53
NPC: the NPC meme is JUST LIKE Solipsism and since I have categorized it as such I do not need to think about its implications at all

Wow, it's like NPCs can't even see grey areas. I mean, look in a mirror you fucking NPC retards.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 4:29

>>57
Keep spamming the latest 4ch*n meme (yet another Wojak recolor at that) and thinking you're special, buddy.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 5:46

>>57
Don't worry, the NPCs who don't see the threat are vastly outnumbered by triggered NPCs who scream "dehumanization, stop oppressing us". Its spreading to MSM programming as we speak.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 9:07

>>58
NPC is more of a twitter thing. All the meme spouters spewing "NPC" everywhere here definitely got it from Twitter not 4Chan at least. It just goes to show.....

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 9:14

Realistically NPC is a super-masculine meme, like Red Pill or soyboy, only high-t lads with status should use it lest it blow up in your face.

Anybody here who wants to use masculine memes better be prepared to get challenged to fight IRL and actually front up. You want to meme with alphas you best be ready to put something real behind the memes.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 10:18

>>61
Its actually the cultural evolution of "brainlet" meme used to ridicule the dumb, except now its cutting to the core, asking "Do you even think?".
Its moderately effective on PCs too, since many have ingrained social programming and cultural osmosis. Below the surface of their belief system are tons of "NPC" reactive-thinking patterns. PCs don't live in isolation from NPC-culture.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 10:41

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 11:11

>>59
Stop consuming NPC-only media, specifically /pol/tard propaganda.
Outside your meme circles, nobody cares. In b4 cherrypicked examples of twitter nobodies """proving""" that the NPC meme is next hitler and that people with IQ above 99 actually care.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 11:46

[Updates] Recent Coverage [Developing]

https://www.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=NPC+-subreddit%3AThe_Donald&restrict_sr=&sort=relevance&t=day
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=NPC+meme
https://twitter.com/search?q=NPC&src=typd

News Articles & Blogs:

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/25/technology/twitter-dehumanizing-speech/index.html
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/25/17900620/twitter-dehumanizing-speech-policy-comment-period-ban
https://www.bustle.com/p/twitter-rules-about-hateful-conduct-may-expand-to-include-dehumanizing-language-you-can-give-your-feedback-12034680
https://www.criticalhit.net/technology/twitter-announces-new-policies-ban-dehumanizing-speech/
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/the-right-wing-internet-gets-hip-to-npc-memes/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6207777/Twitter-asks-users-help-developing-new-rules-stop-dehumanizing-speech-platform.html
https://www.altpress.com/news/twitter-dehumanizing-language-survey/
https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/25/twitter-content-policy-dehumanizing-speech/
https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-dehumanizing-speech-policy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/politics/npc-twitter-ban.html
https://www.euronews.com/2018/09/25/twitter-considers-ban-dehumanizing-language-seeks-user-input-n913026
https://www.paloaltoonline.com/blogs/p/2018/10/15/non-player-character-can-you-be-mistaken-for-an-irl-npc
https://kotaku.com/how-the-npc-meme-tries-to-dehumanize-sjws-1829552261
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/16/what-is-the-npc-meme-liberals-rage-at-cartoons-mocking-their-scripted-thoughts/
https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/other/what-is-the-npc-meme-and-why-are-progressives-not-amused/ar-BBOsCXh
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-16/4chan-sparks-mass-triggering-npc-meme-twitter-responds-ban-hammer
https://www.infowars.com/new-npc-memes-crash-sjw-programming-strikes-fear-in-libs/
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/10/12/meme-gaming-community-created-label-sjws-pretty-brilliant/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/a-memetic-killshot-the-npc-meme/
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3696771/posts
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/10/10/right-wing-trolls-embrace-new-npc-meme-taking-aim-at-soyboy-cuck-libtrds-who-respond-to-everything-with-meaningless-buzzwords/comment-page-1/
https://nwostop.com/2018/10/16/fast-five-4chan-sparks-mass-triggering-with-npc-meme-twitter-responds-with-ban-hammer/
http://thegoldwater.com/news/39432-Dangerous-Dehumanization-And-The-NPC-Meme
https://www.defendevropa.com/2018/news/npc-meme/
https://71republic.com/2018/10/16/npc-meme-npcs/
https://viralmount.com/2018/10/17/4chan-sparks-mass-triggering-with-npc-meme-twitter-responds-with-ban-hammer/
https://pietriots.com/2018/10/17/the-npc-meme-explained/

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 12:27

autism

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 12:51

What if the horrifying reality is NPC are the normal mode of human thought and PC are recent evolution related to development of mental speech, evolving from silent reading of language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-route_hypothesis_to_reading_aloud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_(process)#History

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 12:59

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)
Bicameralism (the condition of being divided into "two-chambers") is a radical hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys — a bicameral mind. The term was coined by Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in his 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,[1] wherein he made the case that a bicameral mentality was the normal and ubiquitous state of the human mind as recently as 3,000 years ago, near the end of the Mediterranean bronze age.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 13:15

>>68
Someone (probably you) linked this earlier.
This is actually anti-PC when you connect the dots:
NPCs are characterized by lack of internal monologues
bicameralism involves one brain "talking" to the other one
thus bicameralist characters are PCs where one half of the brain houses the controller (the "soul") and the other handles the body

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 13:54

>>69
Thats doesn't make sense, let me describe my experience.
When i talk in my mind, mentally discussing and speculating, i don't send commands.
I don't "see" the mental voice of thoughts as "my decision"(voices don't decide), that is several steps later - the voice is used to depict my thoughts and to recall information to the forefront of my mind. The voice is like a neutral narrator trying to depict thoughts loaded from memory or constructed by the central processor.

1.It looks like a mental chatroom, not a command&control mechanism.
2.pre-thoughts are filtered before vocalizations. I cannot vocalize them even if i wanted, only few("leads") of these get focused on on.
4.The candidate("leads") thoughts are vocalized, described and depicted in the mind. They are judged and values are applied to get a complete mental picture - visual/aural memory is referenced.
5.Mental dialogue(or monologue?) begins, i argue against/for decisions, adding more of thoughts from steps #2,3,4.
There is always doubt and i have to reference memory to support arguments.

6.Decision is made. Its not final, as i try to refute it or make sure i'm not doing a mistake(then i revert back to arguing mentally to step #5)

7.Next round of mental chatter.
Interestingly when i chant specific mantras i could slip into "thought-less" mode, where i can observe lower-level reactive pre-thoughts which are normally filtered.
In meditation, i can't filter it(like the NPC), but its unlikely its a NPC state, as i still control the mind(Accepting the thoughts as my own, but not acting on them and believing in them as my own) and can direct its attention(e.g. ignoring or ridiculing each and every thought i don't like). Thoughts are mere tools, not expressions or commands to be executed blind.
Are NPCs uncapable of ignoring/resisting or filtering thoughts? Like a chatroom without moderation, without filters, without control?

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 14:02

>>70
That's irrelevant, what is relevant is that bicameralism asserts internal vocalization to self.
The whole concept of NPCs was spawned as a reaction to an article saying that many people do not have any internal monologues at all.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 14:22

>>71
bicameralism asserts internal vocalization to self.
It also asserts that bi-cameral minds can't have introspection and meta-reflection while non-bicamerals have them, but lack the internal vocalization.
If you accept bicameralism, either:
A.I don't have introspection and meta-reflection.(Something must be providing an alternative in that case and IT must have root-level access to my mind.(some deeper meditation states are described as noticing the "watcher" of thoughts as separate part of consciousness, so its plausible but requires access to that state))

B.I have introspection and meta-reflection, but lack an internal monologue.(In that case i must be imagining or mentally constructing an internal monologue(I can think non-verbally too, its not out of impossibility to construct a monologue while background thinking is non-verbal: its however readily noticeable when a different mental process is developing in parallel(imagine reading and talking simultaneously))).

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 16:57

I actually have multiple mental streams going on.

1.The default mindstream/stream of consciousness: this is not controlled by me, but sends tons of "information updates" and "pre-thoughts". Its always there, in meditation, mantra-chanting, etc can't be shut off or controlled, only ignored with explicit conscious effort(deep meditation).
Its probably the most creative part of my mind, but has lots of trash that has to be filtered or worked up with "Advisor stream".
Its probably best described as "awareness beacon" that is pushing pre-thoughts into the limelight. Focusing it on something generates thoughts about it.

2.The "voice(s)"("the Chatroom"), its like controlled voice actor(s) that depict my thoughts in verbal form. Most complex thing to describe its that is not a distinct "entity/mind/part" but more like a capability channel that can be used to do something - its very unlike the default mindstream(which lacks intention) the "voice" is filled with intentions and arguments, but lacks its own will. Like a mirror that shows you what you throw at it(actually a distorted mirror, it changes thoughts to a form suitable for vocalization and struggles with complex/rare concepts. Its not a "direct monologue of thought" its a converter system, actor hired to depict the thought.)
I can direct it to do whatever i want from singing a song mentally to describing the current mental condition as a chatroom with distinct personalities arguing. Its very malleable and can be shut off or changed, its even possible to having it depict imaginary conversations with other people or waifus(though it sounds kinda forced).
It can work in parallel with other streams, for example when i write this it chants mantras i repeat(the mantras are repeated by background voice at same time when i think stuff with "Advisor stream", but if i concentrate on either of them i either stop chanting mentally or stop thinking mentally: there is distinct "priority queue" that forces one stream to foreground).
I prefer to keep it occupied with mantras, which keeps the other streams contained in their own zones(A quad-cameral mind?) and not interfering with thoughts unless i allow it: if i don't give the voice any job(e.g. mantras or daydreaming), other parts of the mind starts controlling it more.


3.The advisor("Logic center"). Its like intuition "voicing" various "advices". It can direct the "voice" to say things, but doesn't have much control and is mostly non-verbal until i start analyzing the advice. Its voice is distinctly neutral and mostly lacks emotion. It feels like a "expert system"(autistic AI) that remembers everything.
I can easily ignore the advisor, but its always suggests valuable solutions and gives hints/inspiration to think about(inspiration in terms of motivational facts/data, not emotional at all) - its most rational part of the mind and directs all my logic/planning.
For example, when i have nothing in mind, its most active: it reminds me that i have tasks, that i forgot something, how to rationalize X, that i need to do Y. Its also my conscience and ethical guide, despite lacking in emotional department(it just categorizes emotions).
Its not fast at "thinking" though, its just extremely adept at using my memory and some other sources i presume are intuitational receptions of background states and stuff from the default mindstream.
The Mindstream->Advisor is most productive mode I've experienced, but without Voice its feels like i'm following a script(NPC-like, except i'm perfectly aware of what i'm doing. Its experienced like the "in the Zone" feeling and makes the Advisor faster(when its default speed is like x10 slower).).

4.The monkey("The Impulse Center").
Its emotional-reactive thought generator, centered on biological impulses/reactions.
It doesn't have a distinct "voice"(its very chaotic and uses mostly pre-thoughts, it controls the "voice" when nothing else is occupying), it pushes feelings, pre-thoughts and quickly adds emotional quips to mental dialogue(like e.g. you think about X, the monkey reminds you that X is associated with specific emotion and urges you to react with it).
Outside of emotions, its fascinated with memes, humor and various mental sports(like trolling). When its active most is when i play videogames or something that requires quick reflexes. The monkey is really good at "muscle memory" stuff and quickly responding to threats.
It can be ignored, but you lose the reflexive judgement and reaction speed. Filtering the monkey is harder under stress and time constraints. Its also fairly boring to not have emotional feedback from the monkey.
Monkey and advisor use different systems of thought: Monkey is all about speed-thinking and doesn't fixate on one thing, Advisor always fixates on something and is slowly adding cold evaluation data.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 17:29

>>70,73
Autism
Or schizoid

Unironically read up on schizoid. Even wiki article is good enough.
If you don't have autism, you have something out of the schizo spectrum.
And I don't mean it in the sense that
/pol/tards are deluded schizos who believe that human decency is a conspiracy against nazi retards
but rather
expending significant effort on thinking about own thinking is a classic symptom of schizoid

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 17:59

>>74
expending significant effort on thinking about own thinking is a classic symptom of schizoid

Without meta-reflection/self-reflection/introspection i would feel handicapped.
Its impossible not to do thinking about my own mind or quality of my thoughts. Its basic sentience stuff for me and I won't want to live be without it. The idea "i expend all my mental effort" at meta-conscious activities is absurd, it just a mode of thought like e.g. analysis or contemplation, that can be interspersed with other mental activities.
NPCs can think whatever way they like - "normal thinking" seems very limited.
If the normal NPC behavior is the standard, the medical industry will try to fix the "PCs" into NPC vegetables and diagnose imaginary "Non-NPC Thinking Syndromes".

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 19:06

I'm starting to believe not masquerading as NPC might be a future liability. Logic and facts would be considered racist/sexist/nazi dehumanization tools or insane "conspiracy stuff", that would trigger immediate bans and instant social pariah status. This meme might exposes really ugly NPC beliefs to the surface and they will use the majority (the vast majority of humankind is likely NPCs, with small minority being semi-conscious) status to make these emotion-centric beliefs stick around as explicit social norms and laws.
I don't believe that NPCs are low-IQ or less skilled/gifted/etc, just they're not fully capable of all forms of thinking and are easily controlled.
Maybe staying in the shadows and manipulating the NPCs is the actual correct choice? Educating NPCs doesn't seem like a productive affair: Its either too traumatizing or NPCs laugh you off as <insert reaction label>. NPCs perceive this meme as some sort of insult instead of self-reflecting on their mind being controlled.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 19:17

>>75
Nigga don't meme at me, just read up on that schizoid and understand yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-17 22:22

muh schizoid master race

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-18 0:06

From /x/ misunderstanding a pop psych article to /v/ spamming Wojak recolors everywhere to /pol/ insulting everyone they disagree with.
Each stage of this meme has been more ironic than the previous one.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-18 5:36

>>79
The last stage is actually The_Donald raiding twitter with NPC avatars, causing the twitter ban and media reaction: that created a Streisand effect and T_D redditors doubled down, sensing they stumbled on something really effective to rile up the left. The meme is currently in growth stage, the last few days its just getting started with media publicity.

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