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Name: Admin 2013-09-02 17:29

Let's keep this all in one thread.

Also, please refrain from posting too many threads like this https://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1378149103/1-40 on world4ch.

Report problems, make suggestions, request features here.

If I set up a fossil repository when I switch server, is that fine?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 5:34

>>70-
Now it feels more normal.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 8:21

>>55
No, proper unit testing prevents bugs. A good framework really does solve most problems that PHP has.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 8:38

>>92
STATIC TYPE SYSTEMS prevent even more bugs!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 8:57

>>93
No, unit testing does. What PHP frameworks have you actually used?

Name: sage 2013-09-05 10:39

We should have a satire flag (that only the moderator can see), but overuse of the satire flag will result in a perma-ban. (I'm thinking like, a random number between 1-2<<32, decided at post time.

Maybe 2<<32 is too large, how about 2<<31?

Thoughts?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 10:51

>>95
What? A satire flag? I don't understand what you mean. What does the random number have to do with anything?

Do you mean like a "satire" checkbox that only I can see? That signifies I was only pretending to be retarded, or what?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:16

I propose a "noko" checkbox to go with the "sage" checkbox. And please do not over-expand. Keep things to one board for as long as possible.

>>95
If a mod can't figure out that you're being facetious then you need to step your game up.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:25

>>97
Don't worry, I won't add too many boards, this is mostly a /prog/ community site and so it will revolve around /prog/ related things.

I could just add noko behaviour by default, if you want.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:42

Personally I would appreciate auto-noko when replying from an in-thread page.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:46

>>12
bs! you've probably never used kareha before..

If you really wanna go ENTERPRISE you should use Nginx+Hunchentoot+Clack+Caveman:
https://zaries.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/lisp-web-server-from-scratch-using-hunchentoot-and-nginx/
https://github.com/fukamachi/clack
https://github.com/fukamachi/caveman

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:49

Autonoko is useless and annoying for slow boards like this.

A checkbox would be enough (or just an email field)

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 13:55

>>100
Hunchentoot
No, I looked into that and I dislike "everything along with the kitchen sink" software.

I already finished writing my own Scheme interpreter. Soon development will resume on the full fledged Scheme textboard.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 14:27

>>98
If you are going to add anything, I suggest a /meta/ board for suggestions, announcements, and Admin posts.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 15:01

>>103
Hmm. Seems like a good idea. Anyone have any objections to this?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 15:35

>>104
I think just a single thread (like this one) is adequate.

But there should also be a way to privately contact ✿Admin-kun✿.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 15:46

>>105
Why do you want to contact me privately?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 15:48

>>104
Yes, that's stupid. We don't need a new board for that; there aren't nearly enough `suggestions' that could reasonably be lodged and it will just turn into complain nonsense like /q/ or be abandoned like /img/. This thread is fine.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 15:51

>>105
Single thread?

http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378391842
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378396686
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378370373
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378381766
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378388109
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378285450
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378338989
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378277524
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378283113
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378140356
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378164123
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1378135341

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 16:14

>>106
I have no reason to right now. I think giving users the option of doing so is a good idea.
>>108
Personally I have no problems with standalone meta threads, but I think all suggestions should be treated as a continuation of one topic, and therefore should be confined to a single thread (or a single series of threads).

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 16:31

>>109
I'd rather just talk to people on here. I might just make a "contact me" page where you post a comment that only I can see in the backend. I won't reply, though. If anyone talks to me not on the board they won't know that I own the site. That's the way I'd like to keep it. After everything is set up and optimal I'll probably also stop posting as Admin completely or alluding to the fact that I am the Admin anonymously.

>>108
I didn't realize there were that many meta threads. The site has just started, but if this keeps up I'll make a /meta/ and move meta threads to it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 17:15

Hi, this is not about site problem, but about problem related to your source code package.

I downloaded http://progrider.org/files/tablecat-bbs-20111214.tar.gz
Then I extracted it to some folder: tar xzf http://progrider.org/files/tablecat-bbs-20111214.tar.gz
I try to go tablecat-bbs subfolder, but there is none. Your archive contains files without the folder. Very nontypical when using .tar.gz format.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 17:18

>>111
Don't take it up with me. Talk to Tablecat about it: http://tablecat.ipyo.heliohost.org/perl/

I'm providing a mirror for his software. I'm not going to change the tar.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-05 17:24

>>112
Ok, I was just about to start whining about some things in code, but maybe not now then. Thanks for the reply.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 4:46

Thanks for the reply.
No, we'll turn into 7chan if you keep doing this. you must stop.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 18:05

>>31,Admin
When you can, please remember to:
http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt
http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html
https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/ssl-certificate-self
http://www.sslshopper.com/article-how-to-create-a-self-signed-certificate.html
http://www.selfsignedcertificate.com/

You can use your VPS is you like as your CA, so in case you need to change the certificate, we can get it from the VPS, and verify it.

If you want one free from an extenal CA:
http://cert.startcom.org/
https://www.startssl.com/
http://www.sslshopper.com/article-free-ssl-certificates-from-a-free-certificate-authority.html
http://www.sslshopper.com/article-free-ssl-certificates-from-a-free-certificate-authority.html

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 18:12

>>114
I do not believe that to be a valid concern. Thanks for the reply.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 18:35

The current margin between posts makes it very hard to read the new
/prog/ on w3m.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 18:45

>>117

I'd like to have a fix for this while retaining the compactness in browsers with graphical interfaces. The previous /pro/g// wasted too much vertical space.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 18:49

>>117
I use the finder '/' to review and select them. I would suggest you make you own CSS, and post here if you do not like Tablecats default one. Everything is in the:
<div class="shell" id="threadlist"><div><span class="thread">
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/style.css

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 19:35

>>114
Do you think I care? No, I don't give a fuck. Go wherever you want.

>>115
Yes, I know what a self-signed cert is, please don't dump links for me. I am not going to buy a cert or get a free one, the entire CA model is completely retarded.

I'll make a self-signed cert later, whitelist it, and that's it. I'll figure out where to post the fingerprint later.

>>117,118
Does w3m actually read style sheets? I know links and the like don't. I'll try to fix this, but I can't promise anything since the HTML itself is generated in Perl.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 20:10

>>120
Well, it's not like it's completely unreadable, but having a post header begin
right under the preceding post's last line is a little annoying.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 20:15

>>121
I see what you mean. Happens in links too. I'll look into it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-06 21:59

I added an SSL certificate:

https://bbs.progrider.org/

SHA1 fingerprint: D6:5D:E6:FE:28:C5:1B:F4:65:D7:54:23:ED:F7:22:3A:60:C6:B8:BF

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 0:15

>>123
Thanks, it checks.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 1:51

>>125
I wasn't the one who spammed the board this morning.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 6:44

>>123
Thank you! I love you!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 20:43

Why am I seeing two text boxes now?

Name: sage 2013-09-08 20:46

>>128
What? It's fine on here?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 20:48

>>128
You're drunk again, Suika.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 20:53

>>129,130
http://i.imgur.com/gtUN3j0.png
Entering anything in the first box seems to always get my post rejected as spam.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 20:57

>>131
That's really strange... I haven't modified anything at all as far as the HTML goes.

It's probably something Tabletcat put in as a simple automated (crawler bot) spam prevention.

The first field is named "comment", but the one that actually takes the comment is named "other". "comment" is hidden by CSS rules, it seems, and it shows in links since links doesn't read CSS files.

Why Windows?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:12

>>131
It looks like your web browser does not support CSS. Use the lower text area, name="other".

<form action="/prog/post.pl" method="post" id="form1378150158" onsubmit="set_cookie(name.value)">
<input type="hidden" name="noko" value="on">
<input type="hidden" name="thread" value="1378150158">
<table>
<tr>
<td>Name: <input type="text" name="name">
<label><input type="checkbox" name="sage"> Don't bump</label>
<input type="submit" value="Preview" name="preview">
<input type="submit" value="Reply">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<textarea name="comment" class="comment"></textarea> <!-- IGNORE THIS ONE -->
<textarea name="other" rows="5" cols="64"></textarea>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
If you IP address is blacklisted, ask admin-sama to whitelist it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:12

>>132
Makes sense. Should have taken a look at the source before posting.

I don't have a need for anything else at the moment; Windows works just fine for my (relatively simple for /prog/) computing needs.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:15

>>132,Admin
Be careful, he may be a spammer. If you look at the image closely, he has firefox just fine on the background.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:18

>>134
Always view the source of your pages. Never allow anything to be downloaded from another server, and never run scripts, unless you can read them (including understand). The default behavior of most browsers ignore XSS, something that is still a serious issue today.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:20

>>135
Just because he has Firefox in the background doesn't mean he's a spammer. Sometimes I use links even if I've got FF open to browse certain sites because it's quicker / more convenient.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:25

>>137
I do the same, all the time. Why I am telling you to be careful.
I would have assumed already a fault in CSS or functionality on my browser before posting, then viewed the source to confirm my suspicions, since I am using a textbrowser. If >>131 work with textbrowsers, he should have known it by now.

Lynx user for 20 years!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 21:47

>>135
You mean Chrome.
>>134
Yes, the fact that NoScript/Scriptsafe/etc. are only available as browser add-ons is, in my opinion, extremely disconcerting. It places far too much trust in web site owners/developers. And while I understand the sentiment, avoiding all scripts that you can't read or understand is incredibly strict and impractical on today's internet. Whenever I can I will simply avoid sites who use shitty tactics like hiding content behind scripts hosted on advertising servers, but whitelisting scripts from googleusercontent.com or amazonaws.com is necessary to access many otherwise-benign sites.
>>137
Absolutely. There are many use scenarios for text-only browsers (I'm using Lynx, btw).

Name: 138 2013-09-08 22:09

>>139
You use spyware 29.0.1547.66‽

At least you understand why I hate the web SO MUCH, and how evilincompetent companies have become. AH GOD, DO NOT REMIND ME OF THOSE JS EVANGELISTS WITH THEIR PREACHING OF THE NEW WEB 5000.0. Googlamozone are an evil company, and you should ignore them.

Oh god, why, why is opera clinging to WebSpykit?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:10

>>140
I thought Opera used Presto as its engine?

Also, Chromium is fine as a browser. Chrome less so.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:18

>>141
I guess you have not read the news since 7 months. You must be busy as hell:
http://business.opera.com/press/releases/general/opera-gears-up-at-300-million-users

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:22

>>142
I see. Just looked it up on the wiki. I had not heard about this at all.

Well, I don't work as a web developer or anything even remotely related to websites so I don't care about any of this nonsense, really. The browser I use hasn't been updated in like four years.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:30

>>143
Hehehe. I worked as both, a sysadmin and webdev. I hate it, I hate it. No one even heard of USENET or what they really need, gopher; no one. Sigh. When will companies stop investing in worserer is bestest. I hope soon, before people loose all confidence in everything. Sigh. At the least this song is calming me down:
https://youtu.be/BDhg1snT8Ic?t=52m25s
It's all turning shit. Serious shit. What was that statistic, that only 4 companies in the USA own all the US cables.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:39

>>144
I've also worked as both a sysadmin and a web developer, but it's been a long time since I've done either of those. These days I get to use C. My sysadmin knowledge stays with me purely because I own a few different servers / VPS' with different OS and that I use Linux as my main OS, as well as sort of needing it here and there when I need to set stuff up for projects, either personal or for work.

Things probably won't get better. I don't care too much, though. I'm mostly isolated from the developments in the software world as a whole. If worse comes to worse we can always just write our own OS to run on shitty hacked-together hardware. It's not like a terminal, compiler, text editor, and cli browser take that many resources to run properly.

Cute song. C82 is great.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 22:55

>>140,141
I used to use Firefox, but about six months ago it started making my system hang and I couldn't figure out why or how to fix it. I decided it was time to give Chrome a shot. Haven't had any major issues so far. As far as being spyware, everything that phones home to Google can be turned off. Besides, Google can do enough passive tracking on enough web users that A. Even if their knowledge of any particular user is otherwise nil it only takes a few discrete data points to draw a relatively accurate picture of that user, and B. they give zero shits that their web browser data-collection tool has an off button, as the 0.1% of users that turn it off are all pretty much the same, anyway.

I just wish there were more options that just FF, Chrome/Chromium, and Opera. None of them are particularly good.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 23:04

>>146
There aren't any more options because building a browser is a clusterfuck that no sane person would put themselves through. Pretty much all browsers either use WebKit or Gecko nowdays. The rendering / layout engine is basically the entire browser.

Unless someone comes up with a new one I don't really see much variety popping up.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 23:10

I use FreeBSD primarily, and Debian for naggers.

But at the least open schematics hardware is finally surfacing, with optional integrated wifi capable of IEEE 802.11s and IEEE 802.15. The blimp LTE & WiMax idea is wonderful. I hope it gets implemented, even though there is huge lobbying against it, and legal reprocessing for (fly zone height and all).

The song I fetched while looking for the Touhou MIDI songs, then found a playlist, and that was one of the songs. Still, not one did I enjoy enough to keep (extremely picky). The only one I am debating to keep is this one:
https://youtu.be/gWn61o_LVOQ
OP's avatar is priceless.

Name: 148 2013-09-08 23:35

HOLY HELL, this guy is awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQLaKGD90o0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUkTbVSCaseyQkTodLuPO2Cg

wow, just wow

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 23:49

When are you implementing hellbans?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 0:10

>>150
The mere idea of implementing hellbans creeps the hell out of me for some reason I don't know very clearly.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 0:11

>>131
Is that your own /prog/ reader, or just some random text web browser?

>>148
That song is Terrible! in a good way.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 0:13

>>150
In an anonymous BBS, were no user are made, it would be impossible to adopt hellbanning. Especially since we know about proxies.

Name: sage 2013-09-09 0:37

>>131
Windows? IHBT.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 1:22

Yeah, hellbans are essentially impossible to be fully implemented on any site that doesn't require a log-in.
>>152
Lynx for Win32: http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/wlynx/lynx_w32.2.8.3dev.17.zip
>>154
I didn't know I was so good; I wasn't even trying.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 5:04

>>151
I once thought about implementing a bbs/forum/whatever where everybody was hellbanned in such a way that every day your IP/username/whatever got assigned to a random pool, and you could only see the posts made within that pool, with some exceptions. It's been part of my quest to implement true forgetfulness for the internet, because the idea is that it would inure users to the idea that information on the site is transient, and some of it would come and go.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 6:11

>>156
That sounds annoying. It would be hard to maintain any sort of conversation when posts randomly appear and disappear as time goes on.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 8:27

>>157
Well, the idea was that it would be at the thread level, not the individual post level. And I wanted to have some sort of extra preservation for if you actually replied to a thread - it would stay around... longer? More frequently?

But yeah, it would be a pain in the neck, and if you really cared you could either run a scraper or join in a merge cluster that would trivially defeat it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 11:14

>>158
Sort of reminds me of the anonymous IRC concept where you only receive messages if you actually speak on the network, and you can't see who is there or not, it always looks like one user is in the channel even if multiple nicks speak.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 11:49

>>159
That concept has been implemented way too many times.

Name: >>144 2013-09-09 13:47

>>145,146
Btw, I am not >>147. There far better browser than using spyware (they even copy your buffer, IoW, they have you passwords/credentials):
Dooble
GNU IceCat
xombrero (my picks)
Uzbl (my picks)
surf (my picks) (with tabbed, it is heaven)
dwb (my picks)
jumanji (my picks)
Luakit (not my pick)
NetSurf
Web/Epiphany
 Galeon
Dillo
Amaya (for authoring)
Swiftweasel
Conkeror
Arora
Midori
rekonq
Kazehakase

And those are GUI. Nothing beats the regular TUIs: w3m, elinks, links2, Links, Linkx, lynx, cURL, ed browser, wget, etc..

We've had threads like these before on /prog/. But these summarize everything:
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=13661&p=1
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116165

>>158
Too difficult. Esp. since we archive our shit. If you been in the 80's you know nothing lasted on on the internet, and always backed up everything.

>>159
I talk to walls too.

Name: THE expert 2013-09-30 0:50

There's a link from /prague/ to /lounge/, but no link from /lounge/ to /prague/. Nice NIGGER web design!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 1:37

>>162
I'm also missing this. Sometimes I get lazy and only use the mouse, having to retype /prague is a bit of a pain.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 4:34

>>161
There far better browser than using spyware (they even copy your buffer, IoW, they have you passwords/credentials):
Which browser(s) are you talking about here?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 7:48

Are there any browsers that support javascript in a slow-as-molasses yet secure fashion?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 7:50

>>161
Xombrero is based on the Webkit engine and [b]provides an ability to control cookies, plug-ins and JavaScript policies on per-website basis.[/b]
I want to suck your dick. Thank you so much.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 10:11

>>162-163
I fixed it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 14:13

>>167
Thank you.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-30 14:28

>>167
Word.
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