Mental bandwidth occupying distractions

A lot of fashionable languages and technologies end up being mental bandwidth occupying distractions that just end up wasting years of our best, most creative time. Don't get stuck in the (possibly kike) trap that kills all your energy and time.

Lisp macros promise you the power of a god. Linux promises to turn your machine into a perfect programmer's computer. Both promises are and have always been lies. Don't get sucked in.

Just because your OS is open source doesn't mean it isn't getting assraped by kikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwcl17Q0bpk

Also, Lisp is infested with kikes:
http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-menorah

>>1
It takes a pinch of discipline to use a tool without being consumed by it. Every tool takes a certain amount of mastery to know in advance what uses will lead to accomplishment of the goal and which will lead to further investments in other irrelevant directions. But no tool is perfect, and no tool takes zero investment.

I use Lisp, UNIX, and C because they aren't fucking shit and are not hard to use if you aren't a fucking idiot. Good luck programming anything beyond your shitty little indie game with your idiotic and shitty environment.

>>3
I agree. They aren't hard to use, and as I've already pointed out, I have used them. If you use them, I am sincerely happy for you and wish you happy CODING. (ohnowhathaveiunleashed)

Do you need a hug? By the way, I code in C as well, so unless you want to associate yourself with me in your mind, you may have to stop using C and choose something else.

>>2
Thank you for your reasoned, thoughtful, non thread-derailing response.

I appreciate and enjoy programming in Lisp, despite the things I've said. Even if I don't program in it day to day, it has influenced my thinking.

A recent study has shown that the average programmer has an IQ of 160 and the average coder an IQ of 89.

A recent study has shown that the words programmer and coder are in fact synonymous.

I use Java, Windows, and Python because they are fucking shit and are not hard to use if you are an idiot. Wish me luck programing anything beyond a login page with rounded corners with my infantile and simple environment.

>>6,8
Fucking hell. Could you possibly be even more of a Smug Lisp Weenie stereotype? http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SmugLispWeenie
Unless you're trolling, you should consider going a bit easier on the unwarranted self importance.

>>1,4,5,7-9
(except >>8-kun, who has already read SICP)
What has happened to /prog/? Ever since the exodus /g/'s suddenly started to be the dominant odor here.

>>10
I've been lurking here for the past year prior to posting, so you cannot claim with a straight face that this place was a hive of high minded intellectual activity related to programming. This place, like the 4chan board, was a toilet. With 4chan's board closing, I thought "fuck it" and started posting my thoughts, feeble and sad as they are. They definitely aren't any worse than what was already passing for "programming" discussion on this board until now.

If you want to keep thinking of yourself as intellectually superior, by all means go ahead. May your lack of anything to prove it not hinder the richness of your fantasy life.

>>11
Replying to my comment: Admin, if you read that, I overstated my case. Progrider (or /prog/ or /prague/ or however you are supposed to refer to this board without being flamed by autists) has always been of a higher quality than 4chan's board. There is actual programming related stuff here. This board has a variety of programmers posting a variety of thoughts and observations and points of view. This board isn't just a Lisp Appreciation Society.

>>11
I don't get this attitude that seems to permeate image boards now. /prog/ isn't BBS paradise, but that doesn't mean it's okay to shit over it or pretend quality of posts doesn't matter. As much as this makes me sound like some kind of representative (I am no such thing), your kind of posting isn't welcome in this place, and if you were here for a year you should know that. Yet you do it and seem content with doing so.

>>13
My comments are all programming related, and only slightly less so when I'm replying to insults.

your kind of posting isn't welcome in this place

orly? And what kind of posting is that? Posts about programming that aren't directly about Lisp and SICP? Where are the rules that say that posts about other languages or containing code from other languages are expressly forbidden? Or am I merely offending your delicate Lisp sensibilities by being a reminder that other languages rudely continue to exist despite the supremacy and genetic superiority of the Lisp master race?

>>14
I'm referring to your posting style, it's obnoxious. Please don't play dumb.

>>15
Are you referring to the "kike" stuff? If so, agreed, no more of that. If not, what are you referring to?

>>16
He still doesn't get it, >>15-kun.

>>16
I believe >>10,15 are referring to >>9. >>8's assessment that Java and Windows and Python are terrible is quite correct, along with the characterization as "not hard to use" (at least before one runs into the language's limitations). I doubt >>8 is a Lisper since Lisp is even easier to use than the aforementioned languages. I'd expect >>8 main language to be J or assembly.

As for >>6, the poster is merely pointing out the fairly well-known correlation between people who self-identify as "coders" and people who know just barely enough programming to accomplish the simple task they are assigned (and have no interest in learning more). You'll encounter a similar condescension in physicists with respect to engineers (and mathematicians wrt physicists) in many universities, and to be honest, yearning for a better standard isn't that bad of a thing. This yearning is what kept old /prog/ different and, well, better than other programming communities, and it's what captivated me for all these years (well, that and the anus posts). If you want a community where Java and Lisp (or Windows and Debian) are considered on an equal footing since "they are just tools", then /prog/ is not for you. I'm sorry if that offends you, for that was not my intent.

Over the years I've come to see /prog/'s elitism as a feature, not a bug. Someday, as you are tired of being surrounded by anti-intellectual idiots, so shall you.

lol, complaining about obnoxious poasters on /prog/, that's rich.

le go le back to le /g/ xDDDDDD, I am frum de imagebords but dis don't matter xD

>>18
So the kike stuff is fine then. I promise to be more elitist in future. Just not necessarily about Lisp.
Fuck dem kikeberg shlomo goyim wrangling kike fucks

<strawman bullshit snipped> then /prog/ is not for you

I think I'll stay. I like it here.

>>19
Indeed.
>>20
Fuck off kike

>>22
NO U

Also, could you make less obnoxious kike and /g/ posts, and more anus posts?

>>24
Fuck off kike

>>25
Fuck off dumb goy

>>26
Fuck off kike

>>25-27
Tsk.

>>9
God, I hate that site. It's like the TV Tropes of brogramming.

>>28
Fuck off kike nigger.

>>30
Tsk.

>>30
Nigger.

>>31
Nigger,