So how does it work? Creating a new online community.
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Anonymous2014-04-20 21:25
If you were to create a website that is to be an online community (forum, textboard, imageboard, hybrid, anything etc) how do you get people to it if you were not to go out and ``advertise'' it and instead simply just created the website, made it searchable through search engines utilizing keywords and the URL of the site, and simply letting it sit? Will people discover it and then stay and start posting?
No, it would be almost impossible for an online community to form entirely from people doing google searches.
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Anonymous2014-04-20 21:33
>>2 I found /prog/ from 4chan. I found 4chan from the WoW forums. I found the WoW forums from WoW. I found WoW by word of mouth.
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Anonymous2014-04-20 21:37
>>2 I found /prog/ through /g/Reddit Moot's Facebook page.
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Anonymous2014-04-20 21:49
Also not being able to discover it through association. The goal is to create an entirely new online culture that isn't influenced by 4chan/chans, reddit, other major online cultures, and of course /prog/.
Like a new Usenet.
One way I think is that if I have to advertise I'll advertise to all sorts of different technical but NORMAL (they don't go to ``weird'' sites like this or 4chan/reddit) people. Amateur radio operators, lisp programmers (the majority are old and normal people as you can see with rms and his comment about /g/ or Sussman's comment about /prog/), academics, etc. The goal is they will form a new online culture with their own in-jokes and so on.
>>7 In the days when >>1 was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the X86-32.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky.
“I am creating an entirely new online community whose culture isn't influenced by 4chan/chans, reddit, other major online cultures, and of course /prog/, by advertising to random technical but normal people.” >>1 replied.
“Why are you advertising randomly?”, asked Minsky.
“I don't want it to have any preconceptions of how to post.”, >>1 said.
Minsky then shut his eyes.
“Why do you close your eyes?”, >>1 asked his teacher.
Now I think ``normal'' isn't the right word. Or maybe it is. Now the appeal of /prog/ is of its presumably intelligent denizens and their surreal humour that which may be immature but isn't childish like 4chan and reddit. 4chan and reddit isn't really populated with seriously mentally ill people. Its population is basically more of the the average teen and young adult (and a good amount of them possessing a mentally ill mind though not serious). And so that may in fact be the new normal or it may not. I doubt their parents and grandparents would approve on the other hand they may approve of Usenet and /prog/ (or at least not understand it). I want an intelligent, respectable, adult, but surreal sort of community.
I found /prog/ one summer when I was looking for lolicon pics and then reached into ye olde 4chan's homepage; the quality on those years was terrible...
>>9 /prog/ has never been respectable. Even the Sussman is kind of scummy. Only extreme autists or clueless academics still actually care about programming itself and not just corner rounding and making friends on le facehub. This is the baggage that this community caries. If you want to talk to `normal' people, then try StackOverflow.
>>12 I use it because I want to show you my expertise in BBCode. And why you talk funny anonkun?
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Anonymous2014-04-20 22:47
>>7,9 The only thing that makes me more upset than /prog/ shutting down on dis.4chan.org is people like you that see it as an opportunity to create a new /prog/ that is fixed and better. If you didn't like /prog/ as it was, why didn't you just leave and find a different community?
If you want to start a new online community your best bet is probably still to recruit disguntled or displaced members of other online communities, /ota/ did a good job of this. progrider has done a good job of this. I'm sure you could do it too.
Also, I found /prog/ through finding 4chan through the utterly epic rickrolling meme. Only mentioning this because rickrolling, XD.
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Never Gonna Give You Up2014-04-20 23:22
Oooh
We're no strangers to love You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching, but You're too shy to say it Inside, we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up)
We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching, but You're too shy to say it Inside, we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL LE FANNAY E/B/IN MAMAY /B/RO LEEEEEEEEELELLELELELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL LE RICKROLL FACE ;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELELELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL
>>19 True. 4chan came from SA, with a bit of 2ch thrown in, and SA itself comes from somewhere, so I hear. Even if >>1 spoke to ageing Lisp hackers in person and asked them to join xir board, you could say that the ones who stay were disgruntled or displaced from Facebook, usenet, reddit, the real world, wherever they used to hang out. After all, why would they stay posting on www.>>1-san'sanu.sx if they didn't find anything there that they didn't already have?
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Anonymous2014-04-21 1:20
>>23 They are possessors of bad taste and do not want to innovate the online community from a technical standpoint. What they do not have is the question. They do not have much is the answer.
This is true. Before he started SA, "Lowtax" was reviewing Quake maps on planetquake. Without Quake, there'd be no /prog/riders. Without John Carmack, there'd be no Quake. And John Carmack works for facebook. Coincidence?
>>25 I doubt Carmack will work for Facebook for long. I call 2 years tops.
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Anonymous2014-04-21 2:36
>>25 Without the internet, there'd be no /prog/. Without the cold war, there'd be no internet. Without WWII there'd be no cold war. Without Hitler there'd be WWII. Without jews, there'd be no Hitler. And John Carmack, Lowtax, and moot are all Jews. Coincidence?
>>28 theres no incidence as there to be coincidences, as in any without you said, there wouldnt be anything else either without hitler, no ``wwII'', without ``wwII'', no hitler
1. Build friendships, in person on online, with the types of people you want in your community.
2. Explain to them your idea for a community, and why it would be superior to any other community already in existence, sufficiently enough to get them to join there.
3. As these people contribute, they will effectively be your core community. Then it will naturally grow with word of mouth.
4. At this point, you may continue to repeat steps 1 and 2, as well as consider the possibility of advertising using other means. This step will enhance step 3 as well, as more users means higher probability of word of mouth advertising.
>>1 You can learn from Kimmo Alm https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Kimmo_Johan_Alm He had it all but he was a pedophile! Had he been just a coorporate shill nigger, he'd have a successful community and he'd be living on shekels obtained from ads and donations from his successful website.
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Anonymous2014-04-23 15:12
i want to host my own textboard... too scared about securiry though
I always thought if I wanted to form my own discussion board I'd make it, post a lot by myself to look like multiple people, and drop references to it on other sites as if it's a place most people there would already know about.