/prog/ - I don't want to be a programmer anymore

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-02 17:09

http://i.imgur.com/BAEM192.png

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 3:42

http://graydon2.dreamwidth.org/5785.html

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 3:49

>>15

Features
No explicit pointers

absence of a useful feature is not a feature.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 4:06

I've already guessed it will most likely be without pointers and now >>15-san assures me. Wow. It's like most 'modern' langs are actually just C minus 2 or 3 features (mostly pointers, the preprocessor or the typing system) and then some gimmicks tacked on (like string interpolation, half-assed OOP or 'functional' programming -- which C has, to some extent, too).

[..] we wondered what we could do without the baggage of C.

A JavaScript clone?!?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 4:11

So it's basically the Javascript-flavored Obj-C for the LLVM.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 4:38

>>17
That's not really fair. HOP, ADTs and non-nullables are not things you can do satisfactorily in C. From what I see, these are not half-assed either. You can't even do 'protocols' properly with full erasure in C. Maybe Swift doesn't do complete erasure on them either, that's yet to be seen.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 4:55

Mainstream shit is decades behind PL research. Holy crap, they regard Option as an innovation! They're ready to gulp whatever shit they get poured if it has enough marketing buzzwords. Applefags really deserve the way Apple treats them.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 4:57

>>20
it's probably done that way intentionally so that swaths of programmers with little training can be assembled into the workforce.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 5:00

<nothings> Apple email with subject 'Start developing for iOS 8':
"With over 4,000 new APIs..."
I'm going to stop you right there Apple. No. Just no.

—Sean Barrett

<%yminsky> RT @marius: “4000 new developer APIs” is exactly the opposite of what you want.
<yminsky> Joy: Apple's Swift has variants and pattern matching. Sadness: their documentation is only available in the proprietary ibook format.
<%yminsky> RT @bos31337: It's interesting to compare Swift and Go. One has caught up to the 1990s in language design, with the other firmly in the 60s.
<yminsky> Swift's design is so much less depressing than Go's. Confirmation that algebraic data types are not too hard for real world programmers.
<yminsky> I worry though, that Apple's instincts will lead it to keep Swift closed-source. That will surely limit the language's success.

—Yaron Minsky

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 5:54

>>20
How do I get up to speed with this PL ``research'' you speak of?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 5:59

>>21

Developers can start submitting apps written in Swift from day 1 of iOS 8′s and Yosemite’s public release.

I picture "developers" as a farm of little hamsters spinning wheels to make electricity for Apple.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 6:05

>>23
U MENA HASKAL

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 12:48

>>23
Do you even LtU?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 12:50

>>22

mfw twitter 2 irc

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 13:22

>>27
I've yet to find a tolerable non-cli twitter client.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 13:39

>>28
whot aboat gwibber maet

http://gwibber.com

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 14:08

>>29
I don't recally why I rejected it but I did try it.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 14:44

>>27
who are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 14:58

>>31
Himself. You need to chill just a bit, it's not like he was putting words in my mouth.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 16:38

>>32
Don't tell me how I should behave, I'm an adult and your advice is unwelcome.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 17:00

>>33
I don't appreciate your backtalk you little shit. Now go back to your room before I whoop your ass.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-03 21:58

>>32
Quoting yourself before you even say something is plain fucking retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-05 19:18

>>34
You don't scare me. I am stronger now. FIGHT ME!

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