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Debian Forked

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:25

Fucking finally. Maybe we can have an operating system without a political affiliation and deliberate back doors.

https://devuan.org/

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:30

I don't care about political affiliation or any of your commie bullshit. Does it come with systemd? If it does, it's yet another useless piece of shit.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:31

I'm pretty sure it was forked exclusively in opposition to SystemD.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:40

>>2
You idiot. The whole point was to get rid of systemd. And what I said was that it doesn't have a political affiliation. If you learn to read complete sentences you might benefit from learning more.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:49

it's like they couldn't pick a shittier name

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:53

Systemd is becoming the de facto standard init system for Linux. It replaces the venerable SysV init with a clean and efficient design, and brings a stream of new functionality that makes the life of users, administrators and packagers easier.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:55

>>6
Is that you, Javashit kike?

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 1:59

n wat willy boi wanted to inter-reject was dat wat u utalkin boot is actally canoe slash lonox it is a canoe with lonox added to it n dat at least give the canoe equal mention cos it was not Mister Torvalds who wrote canoe slash emacs and canoe slash cat which is unix cat with 10 useless options

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 2:00

nd also an extra 2 that give ya a nice help message and tell ya what version the canoe slash cat you're using is at

Name: Lennart Poettering 2014-11-29 2:05

Fuck you Linux Torvalds, I just wanted to poopoo the claims against systemd in a mature and civilised manner without receiving poopoo back.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 2:48

>>6
Ha ha ha! Good one! I can go to bed happy.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 3:09

I'm glad somebody's doing this because I hate systemdick. This specific project seems gay, but I support it because this stuff needs to happen, in my opinion.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 3:30

>>1
It is difficult to view the act of defining an entire project in terms of opposition to systemd, whilst citing adherence to some prevailing perception of "The UNIX Philosophy", as anything other than a political statement. Denuvan is not interesting in any technical sense; it exists solely to oppose work that others are doing.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 4:01

>>13
Disputes over the Unix Philosophy vs. the Poettering Dogma are technical in nature.

Devuan exists to oppose work that others are doing in the same sense that LibreOffice exists to oppose a Sun monopoly. The issue that triggers a fork shouldn't be used as a measure of the project in its entirety.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 4:43

>>14
It's not a technical debate if you aren't offering any alternative. Libreoffice was a good and viable fork because its contributors were able to bring in much needed new code.

Right now it looks like all Devuan will be able to muster is rhetoric. Piggybacking on Debian repos? Using github for source and bug tracking? A distro without any infrastructure doesn't deserve this attention.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 4:55

>>15
It's not a technical debate if you aren't offering any alternative.
What are you on about? It's a Debian based distro that uses an init system that is not systemd. Did you want Devuan to write a new init system as an alternative to systemd?

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 5:03

>>16
"Not systemd" isn't an alternative; it's a single requirement. Open source projects tend to succeed when they have a clear idea of what they want to do, and not just a laundry list of what they will not do.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 5:05

>>15
Piggybacking on Debian repos?

You mean like Ubuntu?

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 5:05

Why not just switch to Slackware?

Stable like Debian, sane configurations, and it will never be infected with Poettering's creations

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 5:09

>>18
Ubuntu has always hosted its own repositories. The origin of the package sources has nothing to do with who hosts the package repositories.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 5:52

>>19
Used Slack for about 10 years, then used a Debian system and apt made me real lazy like.

It's tempting to switch back. Somehow systemd's problems are genuinely hilarious to me so I don't get mad when audio or network or something is turned off out of the blue with a log entry from systemd saying it meant to do that.

The bigger problem with Debian/anything is PulseAudio. Debian doesn't force you to use it but it will auto-install. Slack doesn't ship with Pulse, but it basically doesn't ship with anything. They direct you to supplement your packages with a repo that does include PulseAudio.

I would pay a lot of money for an ALSA+Phonon+Jack configuration that works without Pulse.

>>20
I get the impression these guys mean to do the same eventually. Or are you offended that they're stealing bandwidth or something?

Either way at least these guys aren't pulling from fucking Sid and calling that stable.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 8:07

>>21
The impression that I got was that Ubuntu pulls from Sid then renames all the strings and calls that stable. They then spend the next six months polishing the base system and squashing the bugs they come across. This was all my imagination though, I haven't actually looked into what Ubuntu actually does.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 10:10

>>22
I think that's what they "do." Having maintained some Ubuntu systems, the reality is they introduce more bugs than they fix. I doubt they spend six months doing that, might as well save time by pulling from testing and making sure nothing breaks Unity and shipping that, it would be way more stable.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 14:21

>>19
Debian, in some way, gets shit done. If I need a Linux distro at work for any reason, I'll install Debian because I'm not compiling gcc and glib with underpowered Celerons.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 15:05

>>19
I've been tempted to try out slack myself, but I'm desparately clinging to the idea that I should get shit done besides tuning my operating system.

Related to what you were saying, I can't believe they let the guy who developed PulseAudio anywhere near a project, let alone one that has the potential to brick machines. Early in my use of Ubuntu I had to reinstall because of that piece of shit. I honestly still don't know what happened, but messing around with it after an accidental overwrite of one of its dependencies resulted in the destruction of my DE. I'm willing to accept that I was doing retarded shit, but when I did (and do) retarded things in other parts of my system, it doesn't cost me my fucking computer. And now the init system depends on this feelings-first Cathedral developer.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 16:46

Debian
Devuan
Decyan...?

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 16:57

>>25
If you want to get shit done, don't bother using GNU.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 18:30

>>5
Terrible name indeed.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-29 19:33

>>27
qtractor
freecad
vim

The future is now, friend.

Name: Anonymous 2014-11-30 18:59

>>29
The future is tomorrow, dumbanus.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 1:30

>>30
So... the future is now.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 1:50

>>31
Apparently it was yesterday.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 3:20

>>32
Apparently yesterday is now,

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 15:53

>>33
No, not yet. Check back soon.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 17:01

>>21
But wheezy and squeeze only installed libpulse, at least on XFCE.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-02 19:36

>>35
pulse my anus

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-03 3:59

PulseAnus

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-03 5:09

>>35
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You can't have Jack and Phonon (or anything else) on the same device unless you run it all through Pulse. But if Pulse is in the mix there's no point in using a low-latency system like Jack.

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-03 5:38

>>38
Pulseaudio has a feature to yield to Jack whenever an app requests to use Jack.
Look at option 4.
http://jackaudio.org/faq/pulseaudio_and_jack.html

Name: Anonymous 2014-12-03 7:38

>>39
Right. Now let me do that without PulseAudio. Build it into Phonon or ALSA. Better yet, give Phonon a Jack backend and be done with it.
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