I don't care about political affiliation or any of your commie bullshit. Does it come with systemd? If it does, it's yet another useless piece of shit.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 1:31
I'm pretty sure it was forked exclusively in opposition to SystemD.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 1:40
>>2 You idiot. The whole point was to get rid of systemd. And what I said was that it doesn't have a political affiliation. If you learn to read complete sentences you might benefit from learning more.
Systemd is becoming the de facto standard init system for Linux. It replaces the venerable SysV init with a clean and efficient design, and brings a stream of new functionality that makes the life of users, administrators and packagers easier.
n wat willy boi wanted to inter-reject was dat wat u utalkin boot is actally canoe slash lonox it is a canoe with lonox added to it n dat at least give the canoe equal mention cos it was not Mister Torvalds who wrote canoe slash emacs and canoe slash cat which is unix cat with 10 useless options
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Anonymous2014-11-29 2:00
nd also an extra 2 that give ya a nice help message and tell ya what version the canoe slash cat you're using is at
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Lennart Poettering2014-11-29 2:05
Fuck you Linux Torvalds, I just wanted to poopoo the claims against systemd in a mature and civilised manner without receiving poopoo back.
I'm glad somebody's doing this because I hate systemdick. This specific project seems gay, but I support it because this stuff needs to happen, in my opinion.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 3:30
>>1 It is difficult to view the act of defining an entire project in terms of opposition to systemd, whilst citing adherence to some prevailing perception of "The UNIX Philosophy", as anything other than a political statement. Denuvan is not interesting in any technical sense; it exists solely to oppose work that others are doing.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 4:01
>>13 Disputes over the Unix Philosophy vs. the Poettering Dogma are technical in nature.
Devuan exists to oppose work that others are doing in the same sense that LibreOffice exists to oppose a Sun monopoly. The issue that triggers a fork shouldn't be used as a measure of the project in its entirety.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 4:43
>>14 It's not a technical debate if you aren't offering any alternative. Libreoffice was a good and viable fork because its contributors were able to bring in much needed new code.
Right now it looks like all Devuan will be able to muster is rhetoric. Piggybacking on Debian repos? Using github for source and bug tracking? A distro without any infrastructure doesn't deserve this attention.
It's not a technical debate if you aren't offering any alternative.
What are you on about? It's a Debian based distro that uses an init system that is not systemd. Did you want Devuan to write a new init system as an alternative to systemd?
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Anonymous2014-11-29 5:03
>>16 "Not systemd" isn't an alternative; it's a single requirement. Open source projects tend to succeed when they have a clear idea of what they want to do, and not just a laundry list of what they will not do.
Stable like Debian, sane configurations, and it will never be infected with Poettering's creations
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Anonymous2014-11-29 5:09
>>18 Ubuntu has always hosted its own repositories. The origin of the package sources has nothing to do with who hosts the package repositories.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 5:52
>>19 Used Slack for about 10 years, then used a Debian system and apt made me real lazy like.
It's tempting to switch back. Somehow systemd's problems are genuinely hilarious to me so I don't get mad when audio or network or something is turned off out of the blue with a log entry from systemd saying it meant to do that.
The bigger problem with Debian/anything is PulseAudio. Debian doesn't force you to use it but it will auto-install. Slack doesn't ship with Pulse, but it basically doesn't ship with anything. They direct you to supplement your packages with a repo that does include PulseAudio.
I would pay a lot of money for an ALSA+Phonon+Jack configuration that works without Pulse.
>>20 I get the impression these guys mean to do the same eventually. Or are you offended that they're stealing bandwidth or something?
Either way at least these guys aren't pulling from fucking Sid and calling that stable.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 8:07
>>21 The impression that I got was that Ubuntu pulls from Sid then renames all the strings and calls that stable. They then spend the next six months polishing the base system and squashing the bugs they come across. This was all my imagination though, I haven't actually looked into what Ubuntu actually does.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 10:10
>>22 I think that's what they "do." Having maintained some Ubuntu systems, the reality is they introduce more bugs than they fix. I doubt they spend six months doing that, might as well save time by pulling from testing and making sure nothing breaks Unity and shipping that, it would be way more stable.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 14:21
>>19 Debian, in some way, gets shit done. If I need a Linux distro at work for any reason, I'll install Debian because I'm not compiling gcc and glib with underpowered Celerons.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 15:05
>>19 I've been tempted to try out slack myself, but I'm desparately clinging to the idea that I should get shit done besides tuning my operating system.
Related to what you were saying, I can't believe they let the guy who developed PulseAudio anywhere near a project, let alone one that has the potential to brick machines. Early in my use of Ubuntu I had to reinstall because of that piece of shit. I honestly still don't know what happened, but messing around with it after an accidental overwrite of one of its dependencies resulted in the destruction of my DE. I'm willing to accept that I was doing retarded shit, but when I did (and do) retarded things in other parts of my system, it doesn't cost me my fucking computer. And now the init system depends on this feelings-first Cathedral developer.
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Anonymous2014-11-29 16:46
Debian Devuan Decyan...?
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Anonymous2014-11-29 16:57
>>25 If you want to get shit done, don't bother using GNU.
>>35 I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You can't have Jack and Phonon (or anything else) on the same device unless you run it all through Pulse. But if Pulse is in the mix there's no point in using a low-latency system like Jack.
I did do it myself but the point is I shouldn't have to.
I didn't write new backend, that's for masochists. Instead I wrote some loopback glue that makes things appear normal to all interested parties while pushing buffer contents around. It's fragile, but less fragile than running four fucking sound servers when we should only have one. As a bonus, the extra latency is minimal.
Capture still doesn't work well, but at least it works for some sources vs the non-solution in >>39 which turns off all non Jack sources.
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Anonymous2014-12-03 17:29
I'm not a low iq nigger so I write my own personal sound server in an afternoon (for my own os) and blow away the competition including apple. Vinyl is better anyways.
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Huskellfaggot2014-12-03 18:30
>>43 That's some nice shitposting, would you please step inside the gas chamber?
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Anonymous2014-12-04 1:45
>>42 Why do you believe that you can have a flexible sound server that will handle all situations? Jack is a special purpose sound server while PA+ALSA are general purpose sound servers.
Why do you think I should have two sound servers you describe as general purpose?
FYI, Jack and ALSA are more similar than you think. Most of Jack's functionality is a wrapper over ALSA functionality, including the low-latency stuff.
>>51 Africans are not Americans, you idiot. These are two different continents.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 10:49
I'm downloading Gentoo right now. Damn, it's so small, only about 200 MiB for the bootable and another 200 MiB for the install image. That's nothing compared to the 4.5 GiB bloatware that I had to download for Debian and Arch.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 12:17
>>53 What are you on about? Debian base systems are usually about ~180MB.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 12:31
>>54 I used their "jigdo" shit and it was 4.5 GiB.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 12:40
>>55 Uh huh, try not doing that. All you have to do if you want a small image is: download the small image.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 13:05
>>56 If they're supposed to be a small distribution, they shouldn't have a misleading large version. How is anyone supposed to know they have a choice about that?
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Anonymous2014-12-05 13:56
>>56 But why do they present that shit as the best way to download?
The "jigdo" scheme allows you to pick the fastest out of 300 Debian mirrors worldwide for your download. It features easy mirror selection and "upgrading" of older images to the latest release. Also, it is the only way to download Debian DVD images for all architectures.
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Anonymous2014-12-05 15:05
>>57 It's not. It's supposed to be about as big as you want it, like Gentoo. You just asked for a big gulp and complained about how you can't finish it.