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Python is the most popular language

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 15:50

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 15:52

It's the most popular coding language, not the most popular programming language.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 15:56

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 16:02

>>3
Bullshit what, you idiot? According to that ranking, the winners are still Java and Javashit.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 16:09

Billions of flies cannot be wrong - feces is the best food. [/thread]

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 16:19

Wait-wait-wait, where're Common Lisp and Scheme in there?

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 16:20

>>4
Its neither post popular coding or programming language.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 16:22

>>6
see >>3

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 17:41

You're all wrong, Mandarin is most popular language.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 17:50

>>9
Mandarin is like Assembler with a really extreme CISC architecture with tons of prefixes and suffixes.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 17:55

>>10
It's also encrypted. Also, check `em.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 18:44

>>2
Sure, it's the most popular coding language. Javashit is the most popular apping language.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 19:33

>>2,12
Actually, I'd say that Java is the most popular coding language. At the very least, Python doesn't go out of it's way to prevent doing anything neat with it. Java was designed with one idea in mind: there is no problem that cannot be solved by adding more classes. And it has been enormously successful and popular in that.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-09 23:49

CSV, XML, and JSON are the most popular coding languages.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 6:43

>>9
If Chinese didn't exists(along with kanja/hanja), Unicode could be much simpler and fit in 2 bytes fixed. Instead we have a Cthonic monstrosity of various variable-width encodings, megabyte fonts and 4 byte chars.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 6:49

>>15
I intentionally never add any Unicode support, simplifies tons of stuff. Either use English or stop using computers.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 10:50

>>15
If we used fixed 2-byte encodings almost all text would still take up more space than it does currently.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 14:50

>>16
Unless you are writing fonts, that doesn't make sense, and even then it makes just a little. You can handle most of UTF-8 with very simple algorithms.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 14:55

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Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 15:48

>>18
Chars are bytes and operations on them are much faster and simpler(plus they takes x2-x6 less space). Library abstractions hide Unicode complexity and cruft in simple interfaces.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 15:57

>>18
never benchmarked utf-8 functions memory and speed
thinks "simple" interface means its fast and simple inside
thinks unicode==font graphics

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 16:12

>>18
You can handle most of UTF-8 with very simple algorithms.
libiconv-1.14.tar.gz 4,984,397 bytes

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 16:21

>>22
libiconv handles more than utf-8, it has full unicode support and many local encodings.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 16:30

>>23
Thats the point: all this translation/conversion/rendering cruft exists because its non-English text. By "not supporting Unicode" i don't support bloat and inefficient abstractions(such as utf-8 variable byte encoding) which are always inferior in speed and memory to plain ASCII.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 16:43

>>24
© Ben Garrison Software Foundation

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 17:51

>>25
Whom are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 18:48

>>26
Ben "if it ain't byte, it ain't right" Garrison

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 18:53

I absolutely adore the multitude of mutually incompatible byte encodings that exist for various versions of Cyrillic, Greek, Turkish, even Western European. Not to mention our precious Japanese which is either UTF-8 or ShiftJIS, both are multibyte.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 18:54

>>24
UTF-8 is not an abstraction. Unicode is an abstraction. UTF-8 is not. Therefore you are retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 18:57

>>28
our precious Japanese

Speak for yourself. Japanese is shit. Not even intelligent enough to use an alphabet like the Koreans.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 19:06

>>30ファッグがカナについてしらねえwwwであります

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 19:09

>>31
Oh look at me, I'm writing in the smilie-face language!

Name: Dubsmon No.1 Fan 2015-03-10 19:14

get

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 19:18

>>29
Abstraction is abstraction.
ASCII is abstraction of Latin character ranges, its just a really thin one and maps to a single byte. UTF-8(and its alternative 7-bit form UTF-7) are abstract unicode code point ranges represented as variable width byte stream with complex rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Examples
Consider the encoding of the Euro sign, €.

The Unicode code point for "€" is U+20AC.
According to the scheme table above, this will take three bytes to encode, since it is between U+0800 and U+FFFF.
Hexadecimal 20AC is binary 0010 0000 1010 1100. The two leading zeros are added because, as the scheme table shows, a three-byte encoding needs exactly sixteen bits from the code point.
Because the encoding will be three bytes long, its leading byte starts with three 1s, then a 0 (1110...)
The remaining 4 bits of this byte are taken from the start of the code point (1110 0010), leaving 12 bits of the code point yet to be encoded (...0000 1010 1100).
The remaining 12 bits are cut in half, and 10 is added to the start of each of the 6-bit blocks to make two 8-bit bytes. (so 1000 0010, then 1010 1100).

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 19:32

>>34
That's the exact opposite of an abstraction. IHBT

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 19:54

>>35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction_%28computer_science%29

In computer science, abstraction is a technique for managing complexity of computer systems. It works by establishing a level of complexity on which a person interacts with the system, suppressing the more complex details below the current level.
The programmer works with an idealized interface (usually well defined) and can add additional levels of functionality that would otherwise be too complex to handle. For example, a programmer writing code that involves numerical operations may not be interested in the way numbers are represented in the underlying hardware (eg. whether they're 16 bit or 32 bit integers), and where those details have been suppressed it can be said that they were abstracted away, leaving simply numbers with which the programmer can work.

What is UTF-8 doing?
1.Manages complexity of unicode representation
2.Hide complex parts of unicode processing
3.Provides an interface from unicode to strings
4."Programmers" see string functions and text
5.Replace in the above wiki paragraph "numeric"/"numbers" with "text characters" if you still don't get it

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-10 20:54

I do not even know why am I responding to an obvious idiot/troll.
Your list applies to an encoding programming library, not to UTF-8. UTF-8 itself does not do anything you have listed.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 4:24

>>37
Your list applies to an encoding programming library
UTF-8 itself
So you read/write UTF-8 without the library, manually by performing mental calculations?
Oh wait, that would also create a UTF-8 library in your brain.
Is there even a world where perfect platonic form of UTF-8 exists and is usable without the code, bytes and physical computers?

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 8:48

Abstraction exists only in the mind as (empty) placeholder template for real object with a skeleton form(structure) filled by data(information). Without concrete objects and data its an idea (fantasy) of what one wants to accomplish(desire). We transform the idea into pseudocode and specifications, guided by the abstractions towards implementation of concrete programs and libraries operating on the assumption that the abstraction is a perfect form(its not, its just creators ideas turned into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_%28fallacy%29 ). Bugs and quirks are assumed as the problems of the implementation "properly implemented abstraction", like "sufficiently smart compiler" and "reasonable normal people" writing "pseudocode that maps to reality". So the abstraction layer pileup starts.
0.Unicode is treated as concrete static authority holding the correct placement of languages and symbols, which isn't reality.
1.UTF-8 encoding as an idea of "efficient storage of unicode characters".
2.UTF-8 as standard convention: UTF-8 is defined as "variable width stream of bytes that are convertible to unicode code points"
3.UTF-8 interface: UTF-8 library interface(typically handles all types of unicode)
4.UTF-8 code: concrete code which converts, parses or manipulates UTF-8 strings.
5.UTF-8 program: builds on #4 to process UTF-8 encoded text
6.UTF-8 programmer:writes programs blissfully unaware of abstractions below.
7. Until the program gets a dose of reality, the text reversed in random placed because of RTL directions or gets weird punctuation above letters(ala Zalgo texts), letters get bunched up into a cluster and string functions suddenly begin corrupting text.
8. The "programmer" is forced to see inside the abstraction and discover its "perfect form" is quite unlike the idea.
9.The inevitable conclusion is that all abstraction is merely illusion and hiding information is security by obscurity.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 15:29

>>38
I can read some limited subsets of Unicode encoded as UTF-8 and displayed as hex, what's the problem? Your notion that an encoding standard AND EACH AND EVERY LIBRARY THAT READS AND/OR WRITES IT ARE THE FUCKING VERY SAME THING is fucking WRONG. THEY ARE NOT. Fucking retard.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 17:58

>>40
Your notion that an
encoding standard
AND EACH AND EVERY LIBRARY THAT READS AND/OR WRITES IT ARE THE FUCKING VERY SAME THING is fucking WRONG.
EVERY LIBRARY THAT READS AND/OR WRITES IT
Just think for a moment on what UTF-8 relies. Unicorns? Goodwill? Some kind of magic it runs on? Could it be code? Maybe some abstract interface? Maybe it consists of..unicode libraries?
Now, remove these libraries, and UTF-8 becomes an autistic fantasy, without concrete implementation and ecosystem of libraries it will never be a standard or even a convention.
Abstracting UTF-8 from the implementation is the classic reification fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)#Vicious_abstractionism
William James used the notion of "vicious abstractionism" and "vicious intellectualism" in various places, especially to critique Immanuel Kant's and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's idealistic philosophies. In The Meaning of Truth, James wrote:

Let me give the name of "vicious abstractionism" to a way of using concepts which may be thus described: We conceive a concrete situation by singling out some salient or important feature in it, and classing it under that; then, instead of adding to its previous characters all the positive consequences which the new way of conceiving it may bring, we proceed to use our concept privatively; reducing the originally rich phenomenon to the naked suggestions of that name abstractly taken, treating it as a case of "nothing but" that concept, and acting as if all the other characters from out of which the concept is abstracted were expunged. Abstraction, functioning in this way, becomes a means of arrest far more than a means of advance in thought. … The viciously privative employment of abstract characters and class names is, I am persuaded, one of the great original sins of the rationalistic mind.[7]

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 18:02

>>41
Abstraction, functioning in this way, becomes a means of arrest far more than a means of advance in thought
And that is supposed to be so because what? Because some retard said so? The concrete mind is the sign of a caveman.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 18:49

The Meaning of Truth
https://archive.org/stream/themeaningoftrut00jameuoft/themeaningoftrut00jameuoft_djvu.txt
But if our own private vision of the paper be con
sidered in abstraction from every other event,
as if it constituted by itself the universe (and
it might perfectly well do so, for aught we can
understand to the contrary), then the paper
seen and the seeing of it are only two names for
one indivisible fact which, properly named,
is the datum, the phenomenon, or the experi
ence. The paper is in the mind and the mind
is around the paper, because paper and mind
are only two names that are given later to the
one experience, when, taken in a larger world
of which it forms a part, its connections
are traced in different directions.
The opponent here will ask : Has not the
knowing of truth any substantive value on its
own account, apart from the collateral advan
tages it may bring ? And if you allow theoretic
satisfactions to exist at all, do they not crowd
the collateral satisfactions out of house and
home, and must not pragmatism go into
bankruptcy, if she admits them at all ? The
destructive force of such talk disappears as
soon as we use words concretely instead of
abstractly, and ask, in our quality of good
pragmatists, just what the famous theoretic
needs are known as and in what the intellect-
ual satisfactions consist.
Are they not all mere matters of consistency
- and emphatically not of consistency between \
an absolute reality and the mind s copies of it, ] but of actually felt consistency among judg
ments, objects, and habits of reacting, in the
minds own experienceable world? And are/
not both our need of such consistency and
our pleasure in it conceivable as outcomes of
the natural fact that we are beings that do
develop mental habits habit itself proving \
adaptively beneficial in an environment where
the same objects, or the same kinds of objects, /
recur.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 18:58

>>43
The Dubs court hereby proclaims it absolutely and inescapably necessary for any further inquiries into the aforeposted text that you completely unwrap any and all text lines in the aforementioned text.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-11 19:36

>>44
inescapably

"inexorably"

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 1:55

unwrap my anus

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 3:21

>>42
Cavemen built the civilization you live in today. Can you say the same about the pseudointellectual fucktards dreaming about abstract bullshite?

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 3:23

Concrete mind = Builds the future
Abstract = Spends day whining on /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 3:44

It's called concrete because that's how hard your heads are made out of. It's called abstract because that's the type of thought you do.

You people don't even rise to the status of monkeys. Horses or mules perhaps.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 4:36

Lets replace UTF-8 by God(an abstract standard of a deity).
The believers use an interface(a holy book) which defines functions(such as proper prayer) to communicate with the deity.
From the believers perspective the standard exists on its own and is an absolute truth, disconnected from their common belief which is the only concrete content, the locus of the religion and the reason that the abstraction(God) treated as constant and absolute truth.
The common will of thousands of developers to support and maintain unicode libraries is what keeps the standard alive.
Standards are however just ideas of a proper world we desire to exist. They're abstractions(a perfect God), their implementation(one true religion) is the interface to more concrete abstraction(rituals) with which the believers interact with reality itself(the hardware) oblivious to the fact they create, refine and maintain the abstraction itself.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_World_as_Will_and_Representation
Nothing prevents you from creating your own unicode with blackjack and hookers. Just write an encoding/decoding library, a couple of starter fonts and some documentation.
The challenge is that private abstractions hold as much authority as imaginary friends vs standard Gods. To make your onetruecode a standard, you need to make the believers reject their standard and adopt your own. The common will of crowds follows the easy path and keeps the old traditions alive, despite newer abstractions being superior,guided by the organizations(the Church, The Unicode consortium,The Khronos Group) which are interested in perpetuating their power and influence, as the final authority to decide which forms and abstractions are true, since their existence is the driving force behind the "common will". So onetruecode cannot unseat the old one easily. Authority organization needs to be infiltrated from within, disbanded or replaced by another for a competing abstraction to be adopted. The standards committees,groups and organizations are essentially niche single-party states which stifle innovation by rejecting outside influence(e.g. OpenGL vs Vulkan, which was created as reaction to Mantle and DX12, both of which threatened OpenGL relevance).

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 6:57

>>41
By your logic, there is exactly zero difference between mathematical theorems and the printing press which prints books which lay out the theorems.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 7:19

>>51
There is no difference between mathematical theorems and their implementation in books.
A mathematical theorem is abstraction of specific implementation of specific mathematician specific ideas about specific field of mathematics. What you see as some "religious absolute truth, divine abstraction, the perfect form" for the creator of the theory is just a piece of code he made up on tuesday and made generic.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 17:37

>>47
I laughed, thanks.

>>48
Concrete mind builds sneakers and jeans in a sweatshop, or walls at a construction site.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 18:03

>>53
I assure you "concrete minds" can understand abstraction, in fact they understand its internals and operate on lower-level, while those operating with the interface of the abstraction, calling it "the abstraction" are oblivious to its content, unless helpfully deconstructed by a "concrete mind".

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 18:06

>>54
I don't trust your assurances because they do not correlate with my experiences. Or these dubs.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 18:19

Just today I had to do a few changes in our Python and JS codebases. I felt like having my eye poked and both hands cut off.... Where are the freakin' types?!?! The code was written by somebody else and trying to do anything feels like walking on a minefield.... And it's not like the Python compiler helps with anything - it just compiles whatever non-sense.

Name: Anonymous 2015-03-12 23:46

>>52
bullshiting so hard

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