StackOverflow defines ``programmer'' as...

• Programmer: Coder. Code Monkey. Clickity-Clack, Clickity-Clack.
Usually 0-5 years experience

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http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27516/whats-the-difference-between-programmer-and-software-engineer</sub>

Tony Starks was a Programmer, Hardware, and Software Engineer. He was a Programmer because he created Jarvis, which would require alot of data storage knowlege and efficient processing. He also had his own private remote servers through which he communicated with jarvis with. He was a Software Engineer because he was able to get jarvis to communicate with his suite and take control of it. he as able to bridge the gap between hardware and software. He was Hardware Engineer because he was formiluar with high draulics, and robotics. Put it that way. If you know all that. your a tony starks

high draulics

Well, that's depressing.

They're all normals! Normals! They just see it as a job. They don't care about programming aside from the money. When can we throw normals into the ocean to drown?

Be called a "programmer" in SC is kinda the worst insult ever xD

>>6
In South Carolina?

>>7
SportsCenter

>>8
StarCraft

>>9
SoundCloud

>>7
Are you serious? It was a typo, sorry OK? I was obviously talking about SV.....

>>11
Wait, what's SV?

The Valley dude, Silicon Valley, duh..........

Every thing is in terms of money to these retards, and pay, what is wrong with them? Why can't they think like us?

>>14
Another man is what you'll see,
Who looks like you and looks like me,
And yet somehow he will not feel the same,
His life caught up in misery, he doesn't think like you and me,
'Cause he can't see what you and I can see.

>>11,13
Faggot.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/artificial-intelligence

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30049115/how-much-longer-before-ai-makes-us-programmers-obsolete

You say that you are teaching yourself how to code, so I must inform you that with http://ai.neocities.org/AiSteps.html "DIY Strong AI in any natural human language with step-by-step examples in Perl" you have the splendid opportunity to teach yourself Perl AI coding while building your own AI Mind in whatever programming language you choose and in whatever natural language you choose -- it does not have to be English. As for your main question of "how long before such a software that can program independently emerges", it is probably ten or twenty years away, because the current AI Minds have only advanced far enough to dabble primitively in automated reasoning through logical inference. Best of luck!

>>5
Spread rumors that there's lots of money at the bottom of the ocean and they'll all drown in scuba accidents. Or maybe pay them a million dollars to kill themselves.

>>14
They care about money, but they also care about the title. To them, earning a certain salary and having a certain label below their name on a resume is very important to them. It becomes their source of self worth and identity. And the only way to exercise the identity is to work.

For me, a critical distinction has always come with Software Patterns. I've never met someone who was "just" a programmer who had a grasp on what they are, and why they're good. Conversely, most (albeit not all) Software Engineers that I've known and respected have had a good grasp on Software Patterns, and understand why they're such a good idea.

I'm pretty sure, software patterns are of concern only for inferior OOP languages, like C++ and Java. You don't have SP in Common Lisp. Software Engineer must be synonymous with corporate drone.

>>20
Inferior COP languages like C++ and Java, you mean.

What the fuck happened that this much debate is caused by synonyms, literally EVERY POST in that thread about definitions is complete ass-talk it's astonishing. I really can't wrap my head around people so idiotic. Fucking suits.

>>20
Who are you quoting?

>>23
Paul Sonier