More Forking Drama, Folks!

For some reason people get angry, when other people fork their project without asking them permission, especially if that is some MMORPG server they make money of:
http://opengameart.org/content/daimonin-graphic-and-sound-resources#comment-37504

Yay! Using my GPL to produce free alternatives to my server is unethical and immoral!

>>1
Hello Nikita. How are you?

JEWS

>>2
Worse than ever. I've no friends. Everyone reacts so angrily at me ;_;

Mr., i am, with a good chance, longer in open source as you and i have, with a good chance, given more to the people as you.
It is your kind of attitude and missing respect which makes me angry. Which makes artists angry. I have seen alot of them leaving just because that. See, that is the core of the "daimonin artistic rule": You have to ask nicely. We even tell you that no one was ever denied. But still some are just not able to do that because it complete against their believe and mind set.

>>4
Another lost soul. Wandering... searching for a place of belonging. But always coming up short.

Well, you are always welcome here at /prog/. Even if the others make fun of you, they're simply doing it in jest.

Your contributions are valued, even if only a few of us think so.

Here's to you, Nikita Sadkov.

http://a.pomf.se/qgizmx.webm

>>5
Thank you for support, Anonymous!

I love you so much, Nikita. I really do.

>>5

Even if the others make fun of you, they're simply doing it in jest.

Speak for yourself.

>>5
I wish I could watch this. Cloudflare is giving endless captcha now if you access through tor and have javascript disabled. I can't even read 4chan anymore. I suppose this is a good thing.

>>9
I'm not sure whether this is CloudFlare's or Google's fault. Trying to discourage Tor with unsolvable captchas is something I wouldn't put beyond either of the two scumbags.

I have no idea why you'd want to read 4chan nowadays, but you can always read it through archives — archive.moe and rbt.asia don't use CloudFlare as far as I know. There is also archive.is, which can be used for read access to almost any site since it doesn't adhere to robots.txt and pretends it's a browser.

It's a bad time to use Tor, but everything is not lost yet.

>>9,10
Strange. It keeps giving me those CAPTCHA-less CAPTCHAs, but then wants me to identify hamburgers from ice cream, or something equally as inane (it's usually in some non-White language). The burgers never load, but I can usually get it in two or three tries by pressing random places. When there is a text CAPTCHA, it's usually a house number or something easy.

Maybe you should have been good goys and not pissed ZOG off.

>>11
It sounds like you have javascript enabled.

>>12
Only pedophiles and hackers would want to disable JavaScript.

>>13
A vulnerability in your web browser doesn't care if your attacker is an authority or not.

>>13
Cool. I'm a hacker now!

>>13
And authorities don't exclusively attack hackers and pedophiles. Your logic is so flawed is difficult to find a place to begin.

We shall burn the pedophiles and hackers on the altars of our Javascript Gods.

>>17
The amount of damage you can do with xss is rather terrifying. If anyone will be burned, its everyday people that use javascript based websites, which is everything.

>>16
The Logic Of Sarcasm, Vol. 5

>>19
>>13 was too stupid to be sarcarsm.

>>1
That's cool and all, but did you check out my fibs yet?

>>21
And my dubs!

fork my anus

>>23
nice prime

That's what you get for trying to use what the white man built, vile Slav. Know your place.

On the other hand, why are artists such cunts? They should get over themselves and realize that there is absolutely nothing special about the JPEGs they shit out of a pirated copy of photoshop, and such an emotional attachment to it for such a long period of time is unhealthy and pathetic.

>>13,17
As a pedo, I refuse to disable Javascript until the queer menace is wiped from the Earth and the ashes of their bodies and drag queen bridal gowns rain down from the heavens in acidic drops. As a hacker, I am committed to leveraging every opportunity to dynamically market Javascript to all Enterprise, great and small, and I will not rest until all other languages go the way of COBOL.

I stand firmly by Brendan, now and forever.

>>26
That makes no sense whatsoever.

>>27
It was supposed to be beautiful, not ampliative. Do you criticize poetry for making comparisons that are not strictly true as well, Autism-kun?

>>25
Actually, artists don't really care - they have just committed their artwork under an unclear license (not GPL or Creative Commons), which doesn't allow forking, so Michael Toennies (a german, btw) thinks he has exclusive rights and now uses them to attack competition - people creating alternatives to his server.

Moreover, most of Daimonin graphics actually has free to use license, but Toennies has appropriated it, like for example CC-BY isometric tilesets by Zero Sum Software's, giving no credit. Other graphics there are just rips from commercial games, which quickly came to light, when I've tried to submit that mess to OGA. User community does produce some art, but it goes separately from Daimonin's repository.

In the end we got damaged all around development, which fails at providing free software alternative to Ultima Online or World of Warcraft.

Regarding stolen Photoshop: Zero Sum Software said their artists used Amiga's Deluxe Paint to produce the tilesets. I guess it was a legal copy, because there were much less piracy on Amiga.

Michael Toennies got scared of the challenge he proposed himself and has deleted his diatribe, but I've saved a copy...

No, cleo... my fault was to
No, cleo... my fault was to make it to honest.

It was all avaible and free and everyone had access.

The result is still that you claim our licence is shady which simply tells
"GPL stays GPL, source is GPL, media are copyright by their artist and are
not automatically GPL and partly under by exclusive copyright by the author.
Please ask the copyright owners by yourself or make your own set or ask us.".

There is nothing shady or unclear.

Exclusive copyright, just for that fact someone want kick that part in our
face: Like the David Gervais set, where we have direct and an exclusive
permission to use. That just not means you can't get it under the current
licence he used now. It just means you can not copyleft it out of our repo
and claim that you can us it now because we can use it. You have to ask David
or use his current licence.



But that is, and that is the core of the artists licence, a thing between YOU
and the artist, here its David.



The daimonin artist licence just tells you that you can't copy the daimonin
art just by copy or recompile the data files just because the source and
parts are under GPL but you have to honor the original copyrights.



There is nothing unclear or shady. Except when you just want copy the stuff
and there are reason you do not like to ask the original copyright holders
because the daimonin artist will with a chance not give you permission to use
his art when you just ripped his map sets away.



I gave you not permission to use my art parts, your answer that you use it
was that it is GPL.



You declared NOW that you never put it under GPL.



Now, do you can present us a list of art you removed?

I would say: You used every piece.



How can that be when our licence is shady and you are not able to use all BUT
you sorted all out and you do not put it under GPL and i tell you i give you
no permission for my stuff?



I can notify our artist group if you want and we can all make it here clear
once and for all if you like.



I do not must fact-twist here. We can go through every single piece one by
one.

I am open for that challange.

>>28
It is beautiful. I took it seriously due to all the secure-software-and-privacy-are-only-for-pedos-and-criminals retards there are out there. Sorry for confusing you with them.

Michael Toennies has also accused Atrinik of hacking Daimonin server, saying that happened because users had same password for both servers:
http://www.daimonin.org/11237/important-security-issue/

More sadly, it is/was with a 99% chance an older developer.

- he had some trusted access to maintain the website which he used to guess and compare
passwords from the game against the website and emails

- he was able to login as admin to the website and change some content

- he setup some time ago a hidden link to Atrinik by using script cloaking
to get the page rank power of daimonin for atrinik. He did not hacked the site -
he simply abused admin power to inject a link to a block

- he logged in to the system for several days under the IP 78.98.94.212

- he logged in to some old versions of the website using his new passwords to get more access

He abused the TRUSTED security level of our system to leak in the next security level.
Trusted means, that of course people from the dev team have access to system parts.
Thats means he was able to check people used the same password on the server as for the
website (to geht login to the website) and he used his developer powers to hack deeper in the
system.

He was NOT able to break in the higher security levels. That means all our ssh keys, non password logins,
SVN and system/game data was and are still secure.

Well, there is little what you can do, when the trusted people helping to hold the security goes to the dark site
itself. At last it was not a member since some time anymore.

When you are an older member of daimonin you get an idea who was the hacker with a high chance.

Anyway, here is the action:

IF you are using for the game server here OR ON ATRINIK - AND ON THE WEBSITE: Then change your password ASAP.
I would suggest to change your website password anyway.

DO NOT USE YOUR PASSWORD FOR BOTH.

Well, sorry for the trouble
MT

http://www.daimonin.org/11237/important-security-issue/15/
I even emailed in the beginning people like the creator of the angband and nethack public domain
images - we have nearly from all an explizit ok. Only nearly because there are 1 or 2 artists which released their stuff to public domain and
leaved forever and can't be contacted.

And no, Atrinik did not asked the artists but simply moved all to GPL.

So, yes: In terms of licence Atrinik is in major parts illegal and they know it.
Not in first hand against daimonin (cleo moved non GPL stuff to GPL),
but mainly against people like you.

Why they did it? Because we are evil. And they are good. And the goods have the rights,
if not even the obligation, to deny the right of the evil to enforce the powers of good.

Thats the reason why they did not care and are proud about it.
We do not deserve it from them.

Yes, its so simple, thats their agenda.

Well, if we have to much money we could bring that to court and at last make them some trouble
by do some chitchat with their open source hosts.

I've always wanted to fuck with people that play multiplayer online games.

>>34
You should get one of those smartphones.

You can't have OUR slaves!

http://www.daimonin.org/4713/angelion-and-daimonin/
"It has come to our attention that people are being recruited from Daimonin to go to Angelion (we have not heard of the reverse yet). If you want play either or both, that's fine, that's your choice. DO NOT recruit from one to play the other. We want to maintain good relations, and such recruitment is neither wanted nor needed by either project.'