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Name: Anonymous 2015-05-23 0:32

<vanila> how do i make python refer to python2?
<Earnestly> vanila: You don't
<Earnestly> vanila: You fix the scripts instead
<vanila> Earnestly, google arent taking any patches from me
<Earnestly> vanila: So?
<Earnestly> !give vanila xyproblem
<phrik> vanila: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
<vanila> how do i make python refer to python2?
<vanila> youre the xy problem
<teraflop> yumbox: yes vanila
<vanila> Earnestly, fixing the scrips is bad advice btw
<Earnestly> vanila: No it's not
<vanila> wrong
<Earnestly> vanila: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
<sudokode> PEP 1394 -- Implementing firewire support in python
<vanila> Earnestly, if you edit the scripts the rest of the build process cannot continue
<Earnestly> vanila: Uhuh.
<teraflop> vanila: ^
teraflop!*@* added to ignore list.
<Earnestly> vanila: To be fair, although you're wrong, google's build systems are totally fucky, and in those cases you have to use some horrible hacks to make it happy
<vanila> Earnestly, youre wrong
<bougyman> doesn't google use mostly buildbot?
<bougyman> I know they contribute a lot to it.
<Earnestly> bougyman: Their build scripts almost literally do system("python lolwesuck")
<keenerd> vanila: What are you trying to build/package?
<vanila> keenerd, blink
<dav1d> vanila: what is the issue python beeing python3?
<vanila> ther code is written in python2
<dav1d> vanila: if so, make a python symlinkt to python2 and put it to the front of your $PATH
<Earnestly> blink is?
<lyonsb> python2-mako?
<Earnestly> the SIP client?
<vanila> dav1d, yeah thats what I did, thanks though
<bougyman> you can't speak in generalisms and expect solutions.
<keenerd> dav1d: Horrible bad advice.
<Earnestly> dav1d: Stop it
<dav1d> vanila: had to do this for several things, I think CEF e.g.
<vanila> keenerd, dav1d is right
<dav1d> of course it's horrible, but the easiest thing to do
<keenerd> vanila: No, you are quite incorrect.
<bougyman> yumbox: what environment are you using?
<vanila> keenerd, no
<dav1d> virtualenv could also work
<Earnestly> keenerd: It's not worth it. He just wanted an idiot like dav1d to tell him what he wanted to hear. Don't bother
<keenerd> Earnestly: Oh, I know.
<vanila> Earnestly, youre being abusive
<dav1d> Earnestly: what's wrong with you lately, I remember awesome conversations with you, the last days all I hear from you is salt :(
<Earnestly> keenerd: If it's the SIP client, you'd just set python2 via the setup.py and it'd be fine.
<dav1d> Earnestly: you wanna talk?
<Earnestly> dav1d: Because you're constantly giving dangerous or stupid suggestions lately
<Earnestly> dav1d: Please stop
<vanila> I dont think Earnestly can handle being wrong
<keenerd> Earnestly: He said it was chromium's blink.
<vanila> but everyone makes mistakes
<vanila> so theres no reason to start bullying people
<dav1d> Earnestly: you gave up on gl?
<Earnestly> keenerd: Yeah, their build systems essentially call python via system()
<Earnestly> keenerd: So working around google stupidity is going to involve lots of hacks
<Earnestly> vanila: Dude, do as you please, I stopped caring when all you could ever say was "no youre wrong".
<keenerd> Earnestly: By the way, if you want to see something horrific just look at the chromium pkgbuild.
<vanila> Earnestly, youre talking about yourself mate
<vanila> <Earnestly> vanila: No it's not
<vanila> <Earnestly> vanila: Uhuh.
<vanila> give it up
<Earnestly> vanila: You're dead set on how something should be to the point where any suggestions are outside the scope of thought
<vanila> no idea what that even means
<vanila> what you originall said "fix the scripts" was wrong
<keenerd> vanila: It means you refuse to listen to reason.
<vanila> deal with it
<vanila> keenerd, <keenerd> vanila: No, you are quite incorrect. -- this isnt reason
<Earnestly> keenerd: Yeah, it's scary
<Earnestly> demize: Would you mind? :/
<vanila> if you actually said something with reason in it id be very interested
<d_garbage> vanila, why not just move on?
<keenerd> vanila: It was covered in the PEP link.
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<vanila> hey
<vanila> why was I the one that got kicked?
<demize> Because you're the one who isn't listening to reasons and then claiming that there wasn't any.
<vanila> did you read the chat?
<demize> I did.
<demize> Did you?
<vanila> I dont think you read or understood what was going on, you just jump when Earnestly snaps his fingers
<demize> Please take a break and calm down, you're starting to embarrass yourself.
<vanila> I dont feel embarrassed, disappointed that you'd stick up for the bullying those people were doing
<demize> They were bullying no-one.
<vanila> they were
<vanila> youd see this if youd read the chat

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-16 21:18

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<CountryfiedLinux> howdy
<CountryfiedLinux> Is fail2ban available in the official repository or the AUR?
<Dan39> why dont you look yourself?
<notauser> I think I finally am getting the hang of this lol, though I'm still having issues getting GPU passthrough to work
<dead385> it is avalibe in the offical repo
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<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: I'm curious, what do you need it for?
<szt> notauser: I'm jealous.
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<tanj> aura is a nice AUR helper
<CountryfiedLinux> ok cool thanks dead385
<CountryfiedLinux> Earnestly, security
<tanj> and i'm not saying that because it's written in Haskell
<notauser> I also found out about synergy today which is amazing.
<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: That's not really an answer :/
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<szt> notauser: I'm still jealous.
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<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: Not turning on your computer could be for "security" too
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<notauser> Ohhh that's an Idea synergy over an airgap!
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<szt> notauser: what type of system do you got?
<szt> I want VGA passthrough myself
<CountryfiedLinux> I was just asking if it's available in either repository Earnestly . Thank you dead385 .
<notauser> A 4790 with a Tesla K10 (actually a GTX680 witha 40k)
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<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: Sure, that's fine. I'm asking you what you'd use it for, why so passive aggresive?
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<Earnestly> ss*
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<szt> notauser: isn't that a workstation gpu?
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<Earnestly> szt: It has 128 bit floats
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<szt> Earnestly: what does that mean?
<notauser> Yeah you need the product ID to be able to work in a VM due to stupid nvidia drivers
<Earnestly> szt: It has 128bit floating point types
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<szt> So it is a workstation gpu?
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<notauser> No it's a GTX 680 that's modded to have it's ID changed
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<CountryfiedLinux> Aggressive? Me? not at all haha.
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<szt> oh
<szt> But won't that mess up the drivers?
<notauser> But it's the same GPU chip
<szt> Also what board and cpu do you got?
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<notauser> Z87M Extreme4 with a 4790k@ 4.7Ghz
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<szt> so intel stuff
<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: Alrighty, so why would you use fail2ban?
<notauser> Yeah I don't have any thing other than intel around here no adays lol
<szt> from what I read you need to have very specific h/w combination to get VGA passthrough to work with intel
<szt> plus you need to apply some kernel patch
<Earnestly> You don't really
<Earnestly> You just need a GPU dedicated to passthrouh, and nothing else
<szt> I'm refering to this post
<szt> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768
<phrik> Title: KVM VGA-Passthrough using the new vfio-vga support in kernel =>3.9 / Community Contributions / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
<szt> I don't know if it's still valid
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<Earnestly> szt: You don't?
<notauser> I got it to start up just not display anything on the screen
<szt> Well no the post is a couple years old
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<szt> I was just stating what I read in that post
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<CountryfiedLinux> Earnestly, Combination of security and curiosity. I probably don't really need it but wouldn't hurt.
<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: Ehhh
<dead385> Can I use tint2 with XFCE?
<Earnestly> So you don't really know why you need it, that's fine. Play and see
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<CountryfiedLinux> security
<pid1> dead385, Yes.
<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: You keep saying that word
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<szt> get sshguard
<szt> I prefer it over fail2ban
<Earnestly> m|
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<Earnestly> You realise nftables/iptables can do this is a much more robust manner?
<Earnestly> Instead of grepping log files...
<szt> I don't like how fail2ban sniffs the logs
<CountryfiedLinux> What I really need is new shoes.
<szt> yeah
<szt> lol OT
<Earnestly> Sigh
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<CountryfiedLinux> If you want to know why I can be more specific about that :P
<Earnestly> One day, fail2ban will die and all of the crap like it
<szt> Earnestly: what about sshguard?
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<Earnestly> szt: Same boat.
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<Earnestly> Does the same thing
<szt> really?
<CountryfiedLinux> Honestly security mostly relies on the user.
<Earnestly> !give CountryfiedLinux six
<phrik> CountryfiedLinux: Six dumbest ideas in computer security: http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/
<Earnestly> !give CountryfiedLinux yt defcon dirty little lies
<szt> IIRC it works together with iptables
<phrik> CountryfiedLinux: DEFCON 15: Dirty Secrets of the Security Industry - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmv3n97B_l8>

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-16 21:23

<CountryfiedLinux> Earnestly, The colors remind me of Crunchbang. That theme gave me a warm fuzzy feeling :)
<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: I ask people who do strange things why, not one has actually ever known yet
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<CountryfiedLinux> Oh I do lots of strange things.
<Earnestly> And you know, that's fine.
<Earnestly> But they have to try and bullshit instead of just being honest, and that's amusing
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<beest> that's no fun for me when i can just kill password login and watch asian ips try to hammer the password for the postgres user i don't have in the first place
<CountryfiedLinux> no bullshit here :) I'm honest about not knowing much about a lot of things.
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<Earnestly> CountryfiedLinux: "security"
<Earnestly> "potatoes", just as much meaning
<CountryfiedLinux> I love sweet taters :)
<CountryfiedLinux> gotta go bbl

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