I've tried to be quiet about these kinds of issues. Out of fear for my professional reputation, out of fear that the social backlash for speaking up would be too great. All too often I've watched as any male who questioned anything about contemporary feminists was metaphorically tarred and feathered. And also out of fear that my criticism would be misused, that feminism's political opponents might take my criticism as support for their misogyny.
Let me begin by saying that for years I identified as a feminist. In college I had an amazing professor who taught me that feminism was about empowering women, giving women the same rights and privileges that I, as a man, enjoyed. That was something I could get behind completely, and without hesitation. I believe most thoughtful men of my generation would agree. I still have massive respect for her, as she opened my eyes to an issue I had previously been blind to. One of the amazing things about her was that she was incredibly positive about sex. Before taking classes with her, I had a vague notion of feminists as angry women who wanted to demasculate men. I learned that this was not true. She respected masculinity and male sexuality, and helped me understand that working towards a world of equality did not threaten either of those things.
When I chose a new career path a couple years ago, and began the process of integrating myself into the community of software developers, I noticed something odd. There was a very vocal movement, a movement that labeled itself feminism, which was working to bring women into tech. I had noticed the strange lack of women in technology, and thought this was a noble cause. I still do. But for some reason, many of the people involved in this movement, seemed threatened by male sexuality. It was incredibly frustrating for me to find myself in a culture where a very important part of my identity, the part that enjoys a good dirty joke shared with co-workers (male and female alike), flirts shamelessly (but remains respectful of boundaries), and revels in punnery and innuendo, was considered something bad, something to lock away, something I must hide. I had previously worked in fields where genders were more balanced, or even during my brief time as a teacher, in a field where I was the minority. Yet never had I been told, or felt, that this aspect of my personality was problematic, or something bad, or hurtful. In those environments, women were just as likely to tell a tawdry or ribald joke as the men, were often the first to initiate flirting, and as likely to ogle any attractive men around them as the men were to ogle them.
The last time I'd felt like this, actually, was my childhood. I was raised in a very conservative Christian church until I was about ten years old. A church where pre-marital sex was a sin, and married people were only supposed to be having sex in order to procreate, not to enjoy it. The kind of impossible standard no one could possibly live up to. The kind of standard intended to make all people feel shame and guilt.
...Yet making sex into something that must be kept hidden and private is exactly the tactic of the lingering cultural puritanism that labels sexual women as sluts.
We do not make these problem better by stripping men of their sexuality or masculinity. I don't want to live in a world without sexual innuendo. Where telling an attractive woman that she is beautiful is considered "harrassment". Where video games can no longer have scantily clad women. Where I have to be careful that I never let my eyes linger even a second too long on a woman. This kind of sterile, sexless culture is exactly what that Church I mentioned previously would have liked. The sexual revolution brought us a long way forward. It did it by being open about, and perhaps even flaunting, human sexuality. Women are far more free to be openly sexual today than they were decades ago, and men as well. This is a good thing. But closeting sex, marking it as something hurtful, or bad, even as non-professional, will ultimately have exactly the opposite effect.
To be clear, I recognize that there are very real problems with sexual harassment of women. I think the "Men's Rights" movement is a joke. I thought those #gamergaters who sent the horrible and disgusting threats to a number of women in the games and tech industry were despicable, and the #gamergaters who stuck with the label after all that happened, while protesting they didn't support the threats, were at best foolish, and at worst, partially to blame. I'm offering some pushback here, but in a thoughtful and respectful way and I will not be labeled with the same brush strokes. This is a complex and multi-faceted topic. However, I can no longer remain silent from fear, while fear of the backlash for disagreeing is exactly what keeps me anonymous now.
It is impossible to say anything interesting without offending someone. My worry is that we are moving towards a world where it is simply impossible to say anything interesting.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 0:49
Where telling an attractive woman that she is beautiful is considered "harrassment".
This issue is a case study in how the open source community systematically protects abusers and excludes LGBT developers. A white cisgender man can publicly claim that transgender people are delusional and suffer zero consequences in the open source community.
What do you think an LGBT developer thinks when they see this? Do they see a safe, welcoming environment where their identities and well-being will be respected and protected? Or a callous, self-serving machine that ruthlessly prioritises short-term technical goals over all else?
You can't divorce your choices from their sociopolitical context just because it's convenient for getting a bunch of code shipped. If you're choosing to collaborate with somebody despite knowing about their prejudice against the LGBT community, then that's a choice you're consciously making. It's a choice that reveals a personal belief system which prioritises code over people.
Maybe you're fine with that, but a growing number of us in the wider community of developers are not. I'm not attempting to change your mind. I just want to add my voice to those stating "this is not okay by me either". As much as I hate to spam your project's issue with a non-technical comment, I hate the idea of being complicit in my silence even more.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 1:05
>>4 OSS projects are, at their core, about people. People who choose to come together to donate their time and attention to collaborate on a shared problem. Good technology is a side-effect of good people, well cared for. If you think you can produce technology without caring about people, you either misunderstand tech, or you are happy to limit your pool of contributors to people with a lot of privilege and a thick skin, i.e. the usual suspects: aggressive young white men.
And what happens when I start commiting and someone who doesn't view LGBT people as human starts making commit messages that might look like funny in-jokes but use slurs? Or uses those slurs in issue trackers? Or the IRC channel? It's not my problem if I can't work with someone who doesn't think I'm even a human being. It's the problem of the person who thinks some people are more worthy of respect than others.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 1:29
>>3 I have been hit on before, by people whose interest I did not reciprocate. It was slightly annoying. I did not and do not consider it harassment, or misogyny. The thought that this is somehow responsible for the gender divide in computer science or considered oppressive is ludicrous and I have a lot of difficulty believing that anybody could think this without a serious amount of feminist/leftist brainwashing that seems to come standard with university education these days (the kind you need to get into the technology field in the first place). It's an inherently human trait, to desire people you find around you in a sexual or romantic sense, and the people who feel or act on it in a harmless way should not be demonized or made to feel ashamed of it. How horribly sexist would it be, if it were the other way around, do you think? Please stop advocating puritanism and sexism, you are making this world that I have to live in a worse place for the very people you are trying to "help".
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Anonymous2015-12-20 2:40
I am deeply hurt and offended by the amount of hate and arrogance expressed in this thread.
Some outrageous accusations have been spun here based on no more than a few careless words in a medium that, by the way, makes any thoughtful interaction impossible by design. Soon, nobody even remembers or cares how it started, the snowball effect sets in.
Your misplaced anger genuinely scares me. Where can I hide from it? I already do not use social media, should I quit textboards as well?
Please stop. Let us work on code here, and take the angry lynch mob back to wherever it is angry lynch mobs hang out nowadays. And remember, angry lynch mobs come in all shapes and colors, but, at the end of the day, an angry lynch mob is an angry lynch mob.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 5:04
A church where pre-marital sex was a sin, and married people were only supposed to be having sex in order to procreate, not to enjoy it.
Eh, all that happens is people end up just getting married to find out what all the sex-hype is about. Not to mention that celibacy is only enshrined by the church because it's cheaper than having priests with families!
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Anonymous2015-12-20 6:09
Geeks are often socially inept, both male and female. They're dipshits, not predators.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 9:54
>>1 That doesn't look like a computer program. What programming language is that?
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Anonymous2015-12-20 15:00
>>11 The language of truth and love which must prevail over lies and hatred.
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Anonymous2015-12-20 17:39
Guys, whats the least painful way to die? My life is over. I'v been having this trap I met online send me her cum to drink and pour on myself when we skype date. The last one she sent my mom opened the package and read a note that said "I want you to cover your face in my cum and gargle when you watch me next time." She freaked, my dad cried and now they're throwing me out. I've got nothing left and I want to die.
I have been hit on before, by people whose interest I did not reciprocate. It was slightly annoying. I did not and do not consider it harassment, or misogyny. feel or act on it in a harmless way
I know that you think your experience is 100% typical of all experiences, and that no one could possibly perceive or feel anything different from you--after all, you're the only person that really matters in the entire world. I'm Very Sorry for the unbearable pain you must suffer, deprived of classless behaviour with no consequences, in your place of work. God forbid that sexual innuendo and all that shit you mentioned be inappropriate at a place of work,
you know, where you come to earn money, performing tasks for your company, not make fucking stupid jokes (dirty jokes are nearly always also retarded, because people like you are about as intellectual as five pounds of beans: TIDDIES HUR HUR HUR) or flirt with your co-workers. I'd easily be able to fire or reprimand you for doing those things instead of working, and distracting my other employees in any way, even in the positive way you think you know they experience. Go make your ``impordant'' ``hillaryus'' innuendo jokes at a bar, on your own time. They'll just throw you out too, as soon as you harass a woman, and not because they're fucking social justice warriors.
Pretty soon you'll have trouble finding a job for all your honorable douchelard principles, and that will be fine with the rest of us who have no difficulty with the fundamentals of respecting other human beings. It's clear from the self-centric nature of your posts and total lack of compassion that you need mental help, and I sincerely hope you get it.
I'm with that other guy, these attitudes are not okay with me either. MRAs and Stormfronts Fuck all the way off please
And remember, angry lynch mobs come in all shapes and colors, but, at the end of the day, an angry lynch mob is an angry lynch mob.
I recognize you! They call you the "Gnomic Gnome." Short and pithy, both, at the same time. "The epigone of epigramists." Nietzsche and La Rochefoucauld were great, but you're alive, at least.
I am deeply hurt and offended by the amount of hate and arrogance expressed in this thread.
Some outrageous accusations have been spun here based on no more than a few careless words in a medium that, by the way, makes any thoughtful interaction impossible by design. Soon, nobody even remembers or cares how it started, the snowball effect sets in.
Your misplaced anger genuinely scares me. Where can I hide from it? I already do not use social media, should I quit textboards as well?
Please stop. Let us work on code here, and take the angry lynch mob back to wherever it is angry lynch mobs hang out nowadays. And remember, angry lynch mobs come in all shapes and colors, but, at the end of the day, an angry lynch mob is an angry lynch mob.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:10
I am deeply hurt and offended by the amount of hate and arrogance expressed in this thread.
Some outrageous accusations have been spun here based on no more than a few careless words in a medium that, by the way, makes any thoughtful interaction impossible by design. Soon, nobody even remembers or cares how it started, the snowball effect sets in.
Your misplaced anger genuinely scares me. Where can I hide from it? I already do not use social media, should I quit textboards as well?
Please stop. Let us work on code here, and take the angry lynch mob back to wherever it is angry lynch mobs hang out nowadays. And remember, angry lynch mobs come in all shapes and colors, but, at the end of the day, an angry lynch mob is an angry lynch mob.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:10
This bullshit has to stop. It's not even remotely funny anymore. Hell, it wasn't funny to begin with. It's just all kind of retarded, and it's gotten increasingly random to point of meaning nothing at all.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:11
What an unenlightened moron.
The correct question is not "Is progrider a honeypot?"
Of course, the answer is Yes.
The correct question is also not "Is /lounge/ a honeypot?"
Of course, the answer is Yes.
The correct question is also not "Is world2ch hideout a honeypot?"
Of course, the answer is Yes.
The correct question is also not "Is ssh a honeypot?"
Of course, the answer is Yes.
Where am I going with this? The NSA has servers all over the internet backbone layer. Every packet transmitted through the web gets caught in their web. Verizon, Comcast, Cox, and so on voluntarily put NSA servers Think encryption will help you? Does your computer illiterate brain even know how SSL works? What do you think it takes to become a "Certificate Authority"? Hint: giving the NSA your private key so they can decrypt all packets on the internet.
If that wasn't bad enough, CloudFlare is a front for the NSA. CloudFlare SSL is not SSL, all data passes unencrypted through CloudFlare and is stored by them forever, it then encrypts the data on THEIR side and sends it to you encrypted. Big whoop. CloudFlare is a classic main in the middle attack.
The correct question is, "Where on the internet isn't a honeypot?"
And the answer to that question is: Nowhere.
Continue chasing ghosts, kid. It's fine by me. You're a useful idiot, migrating from forum to forum, chan to chan, while the NSA, CIA, FBI and DOJ's servers silently hum, capturing everything.
You think you've won, but from the very second a new chan is set up every single post is captured and stored forever.
Fools.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:11
I'm sorry op, but don't feel like getting answer right now because I'm tired as fuck. It's 12:17am right now and I've been awake since 10:15pm; August 19, 2014- August 21, 2014 and it's 12:18. I have been at my computer all goddamn day and feel like I'm going to have a nervous breakdown and my head hurts so bad. Fuck.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:12
I'm going to find you. Yes you, and you know who you are.
The member's of /prog/'s irc cabal. You think we don't know about you?
You think we don't know you engage in the same circlejerking reddit tier faggotry that progriders do on their own irc cabals?
I am going to find you. And I am going to murder you. Its not a threat its a promise. You and freddits cabal are the scourge of this side, and between the two of your groups you are destroying it.
I will come for you first and him second. Mark my fucking words I will murder you goons in your sleep. You are the worst cancer of the internet, worse even than srs.
I hope you all die in house fires. Fuck you fuck freddit and fuck this cabal manipulative self destructive bullshit. All I wanted was a free as in freedom chan, but you people just won't let it happen.
Soon, you will meet your deaths.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:12
Yes, I am a fox. So? I dont see any problem. I embraced my animal soul long ago and I am happy together with my boyfriend (who is a cute b/w wolf!). We have a fucking lot of friends in and outside of the fandom and I am pretty slim and good looking.
But thanks anyway asshole. Go and watch your stupid anime shit while I have SEX with my boyfriend.
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Anonymous2015-12-21 19:12
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*turns my back to you and chuckles* but... not as funny as whats about to happen now *unsheathes katana and readies Sanzetsu no Jitsuzhi style stance*
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*unsheaths daggers Surging with Dark Energy* You Will Pay For Your Insulence!!
>>17 I'll concede that my experiences are not universal, but everything else you have said rests on the unproven assumption that sexuality is somehow oppressive, that making jokes that involve sexuality or hitting on someone is inherently "harrassment" and a "failure to respect other human beings". I do not accept this as axiom, I don't think there's anything particular about sexuality that makes it require special treatment, I don't think it's inherently sexist or offensive. Some people don't like those things and that's fine, they can tell the people who do those things to not do them in their company, just the same as if you didn't like someone to click their pen or listen to their music too loud or anything else in the infinite space of "things other people do that piss you off or make you uncomfortable". Obviously these things can be harrassment or oppressive, but they don't have to be: that is entirely determined what they do after they are asked to stop.
>>33 And some people are just such offense-whores that you can't cater to their wishes if they're flipping out all the time. It's not against the law to ignore such wishes.
Also, fuck those shitfuckers up their nasal cavities.
That's ridiculous. How far this drama will go? Maybe we ask ladies instead if they feel offended by that? I bet majority of them don't even pay attention to that. There are bigger problems which are holding women from getting into tech I believe, not really wording.
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Anonymous2015-12-22 21:07
>>38 It's not ridiculous. Put yourself in the shoes of a female software engineer who spends every day of her career fighting an uphill battle that's largely invisible to her male colleagues. Imagine going to use a website and having to click on a link that says, basically, "I am KC tier" in order to proceed. Does that equate to a welcoming experience, or does it further alienation?
No, this little bit of wording is not in itself the biggest issue facing women in CS (obviously). However, it is absolutely a *symptom* of the biggest issue, which is the general background boys-club attitude. Language shapes ideas and attitudes, and when we find examples of language that embody insensitive attitudes, it's important to adjust that language to avoid strengthening harmful memes through seemingly-innocuous usage.
The knee-jerk "bah" reaction is just the kind of resistance that makes it hard to fix these attitudes. I don't need to be a woman to be a feminist, or to identify issues that affect women (though I won't be the one to tell women individually what should or should not offend them). In addition to being an engineer, I am also currently teaching an intro CS class (with two whole female students), and keenly aware of the subtle influences that steer women away from the field.
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Anonymous2015-12-22 21:12
Imagine going to use a website and having to click on a link that says, basically, "I am human" in order to proceed. Does that equate to a welcoming experience, or does it further alienation?
We all face this anti-robot discrimination.
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Anonymous2015-12-22 21:25
>>39 I refuse to believe you are being unironic about feminism on a shithole like /anus/.
>>33 You are absolutely correct that harassment does not start until one party expresses that they would like whatever specific actions or behavior to stop, according to the letter of the law. I would argue that propositions for intimacy at work are harassment in at least 80% of cases, and it's debatable, but I'm not even really talking about that:
I'm talking about appropriateness and professionalism, things that draw an entirely different line, one that you've crossed long ago by the time you're making dick jokes at work.
Having a pink colored lynch mob and saying it is to please to a woman is sexist. Why something for women has to be pink?
What if my girlfriend hates pink? What if I have a boyfriend? Should I use blue colored pitchforks?
I just said that I'm a male because, sadly if a woman complains about things like that, they usually are insulted.
And I agree, pinkish theme is not sexist, but the color associated with the description and the name are.
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Anonymous2015-12-27 3:45
Why something for women has to be pink?
Because their pussies are pink.
Men get blue because that's the color of the bruises they leave on women when they beat them.
All in the natural order.
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Anonymous2015-12-27 15:14
>>41 Being unironic about wanting more girls in CS isn't that far fetched. Wanting your dating pool to grow is only natural as an heterosexual male. The boys-club culture is Reddit shit too.
That said, women should also do their part by not being so fucking dumb and vapid.
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Anonymous2015-12-27 15:31
>>45 If your dating pool is defined by the set of people who work in CS, you are a pretty pathetic loser.
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Anonymous2015-12-27 17:03
>>46 Why would you date anyone outside STEM fields? Do you have a fetish for braindead girls?
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Anonymous2015-12-27 19:03
>>47 Your medieval, conceited guild elitism further proves what a pathetic loser you are.
What the fuck, this is not the progressive Reddit you're thinking of. Do you also suffer because C is sooo hard? Would you rather smoke weed? Have fun with your burger flipping girlfriend.
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Anonymous2015-12-27 20:19
>>49 No, I just know that there are stupid people within STEM fields as well as intelligent people outside of them.
>>39 Does she tell young, inexperienced coders and interns that they've broken the Code of Conduct, then use that to blackmail them into coming to her dad's cabin and fucking each other in the boipussy?
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Anonymous2015-12-28 23:22
Realtalk, teams of combined men & women do bring more to the table in terms of finding better ways to solve problems than just men or just women. There's complementing interaction between the different ways men & women tend to think.
FYI, reddit is le STEM circlejerk "DAE women studis is stoopid???". Most of you would fit in right there, you're just a bit of jargon away from literally being reddit.
It might be best not to use the letter "C" here, as it's often considered to be an ableist slur. I think "Haskell" gets the desired idea across better.
More like generate profit your feudal lord you call your boss, right? It's a good thing that your entire value system is shaped by an elite that will never be reciprocate towards you. Sure makes it easier to exploit you in multiple ways. Remember to never question the system you're in, and keep making those web pages, you lousy monkey!
>>61 You want Marxism so you can be employed on the public's dime for use ypur nigger studies degreee to call whites racist. This is not useful, and I would rather have literal feudalism than live in a world where people like that got any respect. Those who do not work, should not eat.
Your value system oriented completely towards generating profit pleases your feudal lord. You're ``valuable'' and ``appreciated', simian.
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Anonymous2015-12-29 20:07
IIT: The guy from Neurotypical Idiots and the 4chan alpha monkey. Please go back to /lounge/ and your cage, respectively.
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Anonymous2015-12-29 21:10
>>63 Fuck off with your non-existent value judgments. Building cool shit is where it's at. Go do your gender-based navel gazing on the surface of the sun.
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Anonymous2015-12-29 22:22
>>46,48,50,54,61,63 Did 2 years of English in a shitty community college after realizing Women Studies would be a better choice
>>47,49,51,58,62 Dropped out of SE after reading a post on reddit about curryniggers getting a whopping $20k/yr for sucking hipster dick in shitty startups
You say that but you're going to end up building websites for transactional services or e-commerce solutions, because invariably, what you think is cool does not overlap with what money-holders deem useful. Which also might not overlap with what's useful for society. I'm actually tossing up whether to save up for post-graduate CS or just ditching CS altogether and studying an English major or some other humanities bullshit. Most recent CS graduates won't "build cool shit". I posted that marxist rant half-jokingly, but I'm actually really disheartened about the panorama as some average CS graduate. It's a shit world out there, and no one cares about you feeling fulfilled at your job. Certainly not your future employer.
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Anonymous2015-12-29 23:52
Don't Major In Computer Science
Major in Something Else and then Apply Computers
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Anonymous2015-12-30 1:34
>>54 Have you ever considered the people who don't want to live in a totalitarian society where they have to watch what they say lest someone be offended? Have you ever considered that maybe the reason the Thought Crime Police idea hasn't become so widespread and accepted by all (and with many people opposing it!) is because a majority of people don't wish to live in such a society?
I like my tech culture to be open. If you're offended, so what? Maybe I want a culture where people aren't so easily offended by every little thing and can learn to take a joke?
Have you ever thought about people like me? Or, because my opinion differs from yours, am I an immoral monster that should be ignored because your selfish wants and desires are superior to my own?
What about the people discouraged from joining the tech community because the loudest members are part of the San Francisco Thought Police and they don't want to be ostracized or ridiculed for their beliefs? Do THOSE people not matter?
Your opinion is just that: your opinion. Those who disagree with you aren't inherently wrong, they just have a different opinion than you.
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Anonymous2015-12-30 2:07
>>28 My apologies, I too am a bit flabbergasted how events in this thread turned out. The topic started as an innocent chatbot experiment, and somehow mutated into a containment place for all our new reddit friends and ni/g/ras.
While there's this blunt trauma for progriders, it might have interesting applications in the realm of computational linguistics (spam, shilling) so I politely ask to bear with the pain. Again, I'd like to profoundly apologize to progriders for the harm resulting from this reckless experiment.
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Anonymous2015-12-30 6:16
>>67 What do you mean I'm "going to end up building [shitty shit]"? I'm already building awesome stuff. Fuck you if you're too shit to get into cool stuff or forge your own, and fuck you if you're too stupid to leave a dead-end, soul-sucking company for greener pastures.
Have you ever considered that maybe the reason the Thought Crime Police idea hasn't become so widespread and accepted by all
I'm considering the idea that you people don't leave your basements, that's what I'm considering. I don't even know what would it be like to have my vision of the world so utterly crippled beyond remedy.
Truly, having the concept of the world being shaped solely by pseudonymous pundits on youtube and anonymous posts on Internet boards must be quite a sad thing to experience.
>>74 I read your argument, and I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. Your sarcasm and the way you brought up the fact that I don't leave my basement really convinced me and now I am ready and able to accept your opinions and political ideology as my own. Thank you so much, for showing me the light. I don't know what I would have done without you.
>>75 It isn't even an argument, as much as it is a statement of facts.
I'm going to explain my post to you, because you're pretty dense: thinking that reddit is a representation of the population at large is laughably wrong. While it's certainly much larger than this piece of shit board, they represent but a segment of a very particular niche, namely white suburban tech-savvy males aged somewhere between 15 and 30 years old. To anyone viewing from the outside, the sort of people that frequent this place and the sort of people that frequent reddit are practically indistinguishable from one another, so using it as a basis for arguing that "THOUGH CRIME POLICE" is a "widespread" and "accepted by all" idea is pretty fucking retarded and only shows how horribly narrow your world vision is.
Thank you so much, for showing me the light. I don't know what I would have done without you.