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New SystemD Feature

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 13:44

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 14:11

are they too poor to host their own git servers?

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 14:18

pottering is a bad person

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 14:40

But I use Gentoo, not systemDisease.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 15:12

>>4
You use Gentoo replacements for parts of SystemD that embed themselves deeper and deeper each month.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 16:04

Ahaha, you can literally destroy your BIOS with SystemD now! People had better never run sudo prepended code they find on shitoverflow or ubongoforums or IRC ever again.

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2016-01-30 17:02

EFI is a horrible designed-by-committee bloated mess. That's the real problem here. Use regular BIOS or replace it with Coreboot.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 21:20

>>7
Why do you think so?

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-30 23:11

>>7
Who are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 1:18

>>9
Fuck all the way off.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 2:05

>>9
being an anus

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 10:11

>>7
I use BIOS.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 10:11

In fact, I've never used "UEFI" and don't even know what the hell it's for.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 21:56

>>13
just go to a first world country

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 22:09

>>14
No, we're already full.

Name: Anonymous 2016-01-31 22:29

>>13
It's like a BIOS replacement.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-01 0:58

Not sure, but... How is this not a kernel problem?
I don't know shit about EFI or kernel dev'ing, though..

Name: Kernel Apps 2016-02-01 1:31

Kernel Apps

Name: Killer Kernal Apps 2016-02-01 1:41

Killer Kernal Apps

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-01 3:18

Linux sucks. Use *BSD

no fucking dumb shit like this

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-02 11:13

>>16
Why would you need to replace BIOS?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-02 11:26

>>21
To be able to boot to dubs for example.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-03 22:36

>>21
EFI natively supports multiple boot targets. BIOS has all sorts of outdated hardware checks and magic numbers that are unnecessary for today's context. You can prove the correctness of your bootup sequence with the use of secure boot.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-03 23:05

>>21
You need 16-bit magic.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-04 5:04

>>7
EFI is bloated, but there aren't any better alternatives. The Linux native bootloader interface is not cleaner by any stretch of the imagination - it's mostly a pile of undocumented hacks accreted to support various BIOS limitations. And as for BIOS -

>>21
The IBM "compatible" BIOS is an awful pile of historical kludges with countless limitations that appear arbitrary if you aren't intimately familiar with its twisted history. If you are writing 16 bit BIOS code you are literally coding for a dead architecture; the rest of the world has moved on to 32 bit or even 64 bit clean code and what remains over in BIOS land has developed unbelievable rot.

It is unfortunate that the base EFI specification contains so much inessential cruft - it would be nice if an industry group would prune it down to just the essential boot loading and configuration interfaces, but it'll probably never happen. In practice, the bare minimum is defined by what Microsoft uses, and sadly includes such awfulness as firmware graphics, HID, and ACPI.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-04 5:50

>>25
there aren't any better alternatives
The thing it was supposed to replace is a fine alternative. I hope it gets replaced with something better some day, but it's better than EFI. It's an ``awful pile of historical kludges'' but nobody seems to be able to implement EFI correctly either, putting them in the exact same boat except one is a slightly smaller heap of shit.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-04 12:14

Linux is for /g/ros
Everybody here runs BSD

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-04 12:35

>>27
Cudder runs windows 95.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-04 14:49

Cudder runs TempleOS.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 0:59

>>25
clean code
I know you don't mean that in the AGiLE sense, but some evil part of me likes to imagine BIOS writers being forced to only use five instructions per function.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 4:43

>>26
except one is a slightly smaller heap of shit

It's not smaller when you consider the tooling and documentation. Nobody writes compilers for 16 bit x86 anymore[1], and there are countless niggles in the interface specs that date back to the days when Compaq was a major player in the PC market. People are not going to keep this stuff around forever.

The largest voice for keeping BIOS around comes from people who have made a living out of recycling very old ideas (namely Linux developers). The bit they seem to miss is that this only works when the ideas you're recycling are mostly good.

[1] And no, your rotting copy of Watcom and gcc's 16 bit mode don't count

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2016-02-05 12:02

EFI natively supports multiple boot targets.
Total enterprise-level bullshit. What the fuck does "natively supports" even mean WHEN IT REQUIRES A WHOLE FUCKING PARTITION ON THE DISK TO EVEN BOOT? With BIOS, all it does is load the first 512 bytes of the selected boot device (could even be network) to 0000:7c00 and jump to it. Nothing could be simpler.

Real BIOSes are not written in anything other than Asm (I have the source, I know.)

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 17:34

ducks kek'em

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 20:21

>>32

care to share that asm bios with us?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 21:17

>>34
Don't you know Cudder, the master of blue balls?
First 10 months: ``I just have to clean the source code a little, I'll release once I'm finished''
Following 18 months: ``Actually, I'll rewrite some parts of the code, after that I'm going to release''
The next 2 years: ``Development is slow, I'm busy these days... here's a piece of it for now [posts 40 lines of code]''
After that: ``All right, I'm back on track! Working on it again''
10 months later: ``Actually, this could use some clean up before release...''
-->>> GO BACK TO BEGINNING <<<--

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 21:39

Where is the browser, Cudder?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 22:30

>>35
>>36
Just ignore namefags desu.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 22:48

>>37
Just optimize quotes desu

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-05 22:59

>>33
Nice dubs, buddy!

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 2:56

Any day lennart poettiring doesn't break into your house and pee on your computer is an above average day with SystemD.

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2016-02-06 5:09

>>34
Can't, NDA. But if you Google "AWARD BIOS source code"... ;-)

>>36
I've been intermittently working on the CSS layout algorithm. It turns out, it's a lot simpler if you disregard all the fluff about line boxes and formatting contexts and all that shit, resist the temptation to turn every-fucking-thing into an object, and just view it as one big recursive loop. Forget about "anonymous block boxes", all that matters is there's two modes, vertical ("block") and horizontal ("inline", "inline-block", regular text)

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 5:29

>>41
Can't, NDA. But if you Google
Never seen an NDA that a) allowed you to assist someone who hasn't signed the NDA with obtaining the materials, or b) tried to be enforceable after the material showed up on the web.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 9:35

not to mention c) didn't gag you from mentioning that you are under NDA for those specific materials.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 10:29

>>41
I'm just gonna chime in right now, before someone derails about yacc vs recursive descent parsers again.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 11:43

>>41
What do you think will be the hardest part on the browser?
The rendering engine, I guess?
Could you make a release of what you have so far once the CSS layout is done?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 12:19

>>45
Could you make a release
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 12:58

>>32
Your wrong. How can you claim you know how to read ASM if you don't even know what EFI does? That just makes you all talk and no action!

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2016-02-06 17:59

>>42,43
You obviously haven't see many NDAs.

You can also get the IBM PC/AT Technical Reference, which has the complete source code listing for the BIOS.

>>45
Keep the browser stuff in the browser thread:
http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1406427616

>>47
I don't need to know EFI to know Asm.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 18:20

>>41
Where is the source cudder? I want to see source not words.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 19:11

>>49
Source is words, you dolt.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 19:55

>>48
No, you obviously don't understand or have any experience with NDAs and are making shit up

I don't need to know EFI to know Asm.

Finally admitting through the most dodgy way possible that you actually don't know the first thing about something you're preaching against. Fuck off, lamer.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-06 19:56

>>48
I'm doubting you have seen any. Your deflection just makes it more suspicious.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-07 16:35

>>50
some, but not all, mnemonics are words

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-07 21:55

>>49
>>52
*Cudder is all talk and no action

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-07 22:26

check out muh dubs

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-08 13:14

>>55
I'm too stunned from the horror of >>54's unoptimized quotes.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-10 6:47

>>56
Do you know what happens when you click on a post number? It prints that post number into the text box. What do you think happens when you click on many post numbers?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-10 19:44

>>57
What the fuck kind of idiot deliberately clicks on a number to quote it? You're about to write some text. Start writing that text with Shift-Period-Period. That's it. No mouse involved. Or are you saying your short-term memory is too leaky for a couple of two-digit numbers?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 0:17

Presumably that only works with JavaScript™ enabled. Ain't nobody going to go bareback into this infected shithole without a JS condom on.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 0:26

>>57
>>57
>>57
>>57
>>57
But can you do that in a fraction of a second? I didn't think so. Stay cuck.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 0:28

>>60
Why would I ever need to do that?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 0:39

>>61
That's what cool kids do.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 6:06

>>57
This is why I campaigned to remove this function from the site's Javascript. You didn't listen.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-11 16:09

Oh wow I didn't realize this site had Javascript.

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-12 6:38

>>58
The one who makes use of a function that exists. Why does a function exist if nobody can make use of it?

Name: Anonymous 2016-02-12 16:47

>>65
You can make use of it as you just demonstrated, it's when you start double dipping that you run into problems. Don't be that guy.
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