Recently took a tour of my old campus

Everyone has a Macbook and they're all writing Javascript. Something happened around 2006-2010 (facebook + iphone) that made every normie get into software. I predict a massive collapse of the current tech bubble once these kids graduate, if it already isn't underway. Like all great disasters, in its wake order will be restored. Recall how GREAT it was after the 1999 dotcom crash.

By 2020, the Ruby coffeeshop Macbook crowd will once again be rightfully laughed at. There will be a return to the old ways of the software industry—that is, business being the primary users of software and not individuals. Less ``cloud'' and more WinForms. Less ``ajax'' and more HTML. Less ``scripting'' and more programming.

Yeah^! Down with UNIX^®

>>1
WinForms are worse than ``cloud''.

>>3
It's an allegory to this trend of distributed computing, where WinForms is antithetical because those programs sit on a company's LAN not on some other company's servers.

FUCK HTML5 GET

business being the primary users of software and not individuals. Less ``cloud''

Far more businesses are jumping to ``cloud'' than you think.

>>6
Far more businesses are jumping to ``Java'' than you think.

``cloud'' is still the same old client-server shit with a new and improved name slapped on it.

>>8
Thank you, our resident buzzword and bad analogy expert. Under the old mainframe computing model, user accounts were merely todays VPS.

But cloud, in the bussiness buzzword sense, is much more than that - more sinister. It means user forfeiting all control over input data to the cloud provider, whereas mainframes is just renting computing resources, but not the software contained therein.

Cloud is a form of DRM - the only way to avoid software being cloned/pirated is to simply deny direct access to it. No wonder computing market oligopolies gravitate so strongly towards it.

tl;dr: Cloud is basically a jewish scheme, but with electrons, instead of money.

>>9
You're welcome.

>>10
Check 'em

>>9
I take it you never used telnet or BBSs. You'd login and get a little kiosk shell, there was no ``direct access''. Same shit has been going on since networks were invented.

>>9
Yes, the problem with ``cloud'' is that you can't prevent it from phoning home because that's all the program (or your portion of that program) can do.

``Cloud'' is really expensive and in general a bad business decision. A cloud company has to not only host the customers' data but also host all the application's computing for every user. Imagine a CloudExcel spreadsheet program that had to do several network round trips and SQL queries on CloudExcel's servers every time a user saves a file or imports a different file format. Is it really worth all the data center costs just to prevent the possibility of piracy? Your users have devices with CPUs, so why not let them use their own computers to run your program. To me, the potential loss to piracy is nothing compared to how expensive hosting is (and will continue to be). The only scenario that justifies hosting ``cloud'' programs is when there is value from bulk data collection.

ALL ``cloud'' software exists to harvest and SELL your data. Either that or they would go bankrupt from running data centers.

>>13
World of Warcraft harvests and sells your 80 level paladins?

>>14
Grumpy oldfag detected. No one has played that game for 10 years.

The Cloud^TM is like a mainframe owned by an evil old guy that sells your data for profit, updates the software every couple months with a new 'fresh' UI so shit sells more and eventually removes the service because it's not making a profit anymore because everyone knows that software sucks and anyone is fool for paying a monthly fee for something you can pirate for free.

Advantages of The Cloud^TM:

* you don't have to host your own shit

Disadvantages of The Cloud^TM:

* Shit that's out of your control:
Software updates
Uptime/downtime
Security
* There is no 'Security' for that matter, the attack surface is too great!
* Your money is being leeched monthly
* They'll eventually stop the service anyways
* Not before they update everything by moving every god damn button over and removing all functionality you actually use
* Speaking of buttons? How the fuck do you know what actually is a button with these bullshit "flat-UI" 'designs'? Like, any button could just be a grayed out indicator if not for it's location. Even FLTK, which has that great 90s look to it does it better. Even Windows three point fucking one does UIs better than modern web 'developers'.

I sure hope people don't think hating on the cloud is some ebin prague meme, because my god, I honestly can't believe people are falling for this shit.

>>12
These were end user facing interfaces, mainly matter of convenience for those who could not afford to rent bonafide mainframe time.

Not something corporations would rely on for their internal business - you're suggesting that they replaced their AS400s with AOL or Minitel in droves in the past.

>>12
What in all of the holy fuck do you think Telnet was originally for, if not ``direct access''‽

>>9
Except VPSes typically give root access. I'm free to fuck everything up on my VPS and demand the provider reinstall the OS whenever I please, and no one else is effected. Sharing accounts on Unix in the traditional sense is a pain in the ballsack, and I can bring everything to a halt by shitting semaphores everywhere until I fill up some quota or superuser kills my program, me, and then fucks us both. I can install kernel modules, mount remote drives, and freely install programs on a VPS. With shared computing, I have to suck off some faggot (and probably pedophile and nerd too) who calls himself a ``sysop'' to schedule to so those things for me.

>>18
There were apps that had telnet interfaces too.

>>20
...because they realized they could hijack the telnet remote login aka full access client for other raw network purposes.

>>21
Check 'em

>>21
Right, old school protocol, same ``cloud'' shit they have today. Glad you figured out the point of my poast.

>>23
RedCream?!?!

>>24
Hah, no. That spelling has been around since before w4c.
HTH HAND

Ken Olsen will be vindicated. People make fun of his infamous quote but by 2025 at the latest most individuals will NOT own computers themselves that do the majority of the processing work. People own phones, tablets, low power devices which can be considered as smart terminals, connecting to larger computer systems. When a norp logs onto Facebook they are connecting to the Facebook computer system. The obvious next step in video gaming is streaming impossibly complex, always online content that is run on mainframe computers. If you do this via fiber optic cable (which will soon become standard in the West) there will be minimal input lag. All this is easily controllable by the elite. What a Soviet wetdream. If only they were around to see it. These 2nd generation communist "cultural marxists" are a disgrace. Wish we were all Back in the USSR

``````faggot quotes''''''

>>25
<sup>[citation needed]</sup>

>>26
don't worry we'll all be under communism soon enough

>>28
http://dejanews.com/