A woman learning Haskell

The newest entry in our "Look at that Haskell idiot and laugh". It's a woman that writes an angry rant because she couldn't remember that... vector product is anti-commutative.

http://betsyhaibel.com/blog/2016-04-29-haskell-vectors-and-implicit-knowledge/

Problem 10 took me a month.
They thought it was too simple to explain. They thought that anyone learning Haskell would have retained all the random topics that are contained in high school precalculus. They thought that anyone learning Haskell would be the Kind Of Person who just “naturally” remembers that sort of stuff.
This could be a rant about the arrogance of the functional programming ivory tower.

Yep, you've seen it: high school pre-calculus is officially "arrogance" of the functional "ivory tower". But there is more: she actually feels that the Haskell community hates her:

Real World Haskell assumes that all truly educated people remember vector-math intricacies off the top of their heads.

Intricacies, ahahahaha! Remembering one of the most basic operations in vector algebra is an "intricacy" now!

I think Haskell is a really pretty language, but I can’t tell if the Haskell community wants me.

Oooh, the discrimination!!! They've included an exercise in a book that she wasted a month solving! The oppression!

It’s still cruel.

I couldn't solve an exercise in a book! Goodbye, cruel world!

And when we encode that cruelty into our educational materials – however accidentally – we turn surviving that cruelty into something we value above all.

Oooh, the evil patriarchy embedding cruelty into geometric problems! And vector product was invented by a man! It's all those evil men, we should cut their balls off!!!

rape fantasies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHyfRFJyGiM

To be fair, this isn't a Haskell idiot, it's a webmonkey who tried to learn Haskell and bounced off.

Its like a child discovering that the universe doesn't revolve around her and is indifferent to her angst. I wonder how long until this pouting transmutes into existential dread.

>>4
That said, it did take humility and courage to describe her struggle with this problem in detail.

>>5
Since when does endless bitching require humility and courage?

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>>6
Yes there was bitching, but there were also pertinent details about her efforts. People are usually too scared of being judged or mocked to show the details of their efforts like this.

Its the reason why in the end I stopped liking bisqwit. He goes to great lengths writing tools to make it appear as though all his programs were perfectly written and conceived from beginning of work to the end. And what does he write? Simple renderers and emulators. He isn't making something with a structure that isn't fully scoped out in advance. Initially, it was satisfying watching his videos, but then, on further reflection and upon actually looking at his work, they started to seem self serving and forced, and ultimately not very interesting.

Compare that to Terry, who is genuine and open and honest as anything. I respect Terry far more because he shows you his work and tells you his thoughts in a completely unscripted way and everything is authentic as well as interesting.

>>8

People are usually too scared of being judged or mocked

I would call that "considerate of other people's time". It's a little pretentions and egotistical to make other people read elaborate reports of your "efforts" and stupidity.

>>1
She's very sexy though.

>>6

I just now realized those are the names of her other articles, not some random list of silly things.

That is sad.

I was wondering earlier (>>4) when she was going to make the next logical step to existential dread where you are accompanied by a dark cloud of dread and horror for the rest of your waking moments.

It seems her strategy is to infantilize herself and insist that her feelings are actually the center of the universe.

>>10
No.
https://images.modelviewculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/betsyhaibel.png

Learn C instead, read K&R.

Learn You a Haskell conveys a worldview that fat jokes are hilarious fun.

They are, when you're laughing at how fucking bloated the binaries are. Haskell is a fat pig of a language.

>>7
I remember the movie The Ninth Gate by Polanski, that was really sexist with devil being personified by a woman. Otherwise he is your average Jewish hollywood filmmaker. How did he angered feminists thought?

>>14
So if the devil was personified by a man, it would've been less "sexist"? God you are stupid. Just because they portray devil as female doesn't mean they are suggesting that all women are devils.

>>14
He molested a loli after OJ Simpson killed his wife and fled to France. How do you not know this?

>>16
I MENA Charles Manson killed his wife, of course.

http://downloads.typesafe.com/website/blog-images/subreddit-3-cursing.png

Are Haskell programmers naturally more erudite than those of other languages?

>>18
check out that spike of shit for MATLAB

>>19
That's just people referring to the Schubert Half-Inverse Transform.

Mathematica is G-rated programming.

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>>22
¡Nice, bro!

>>21
Isn't it called Wolfram Language now?

http://betsyhaibel.com/resume/
No thank you!

>>25

is a full-stack web developer

sounds like stack overflow.

>>25
why do idiots take software so seriously if they're nothing but a webapper

it's like a RC drone user trying to hang out with Air Force pilots and talking shit to them in the process

I fantasize about being raped by Haskell

I need closure from Clojure

>>1

My old boss had compared its “offbeat” approach to _why’s Poignant Guide to Ruby, which I love.

Ahahaha, everyone who likes _why's piece of shit would do most good to the world if converted to fertilizer.

Anyway, she made two mistakes:

First of all, gave up when her code using Data.Vector as if it were the other Vector failed to compile. When your code fails to compile "with weird arity errors" it means that you fundamentally misunderstand something. When you fundamentally misunderstand something, you don't be, "oh well, I guess I'll try another way", you keep hitting your head against that wall until you understand what you've misunderstood.

Yes, in this day and age you can't have a perfect understanding of your programming environment down to the transistor level. You build on top of abstractions, and even those abstractions you don't usually understand completely. But there's a huge difference between having an incomplete understanding that's possibly incorrect in some corner cases (you don't know which if any), but otherwise works perfectly fine for you, and knowing for sure that you misunderstand something fundamental about this reproducible case.

That "randomly adding and subtracting @s and colons and quotation marks until it works" she saw beginners do is OK for a person who has literally wrote her first hello world a couple of months ago. When you become a professional programmer you gotta get the professional attitude toward your tools: you're supposed to master them, and whenever it turns out that you have not, you don't rest until you correct that.

The second mistake was, of course, not asking google. When you see a weird thing like a compilation error and after trying some things you figure that you don't have a clue what's going on, you go and search google, stackoverflow etc for similar problems. If that doesn't help you go and ask on irc, stackoverflow, reddit, etc. Also, your coworkers and friends.

If that's an algorithm that you want to train your algorithm-making abilities on, then of course you bang your head for a while, but when you realize that it's much harder than it was supposed to be, so you must be missing something vital, you go and ask google and so on. You don't fuck with it for a fucking month, man.

Btw it's not the first time I've seen a chick in programming have this weird attitude, as if trying to live up to some idiotic Manly Male Real Programmer standard. And then she blames that Haskell book for setting the bar too high, like you're expected to have known linear algebra off the top of your head, otherwise get back to the kitchen.

No, silly, you were expected to google, good programmers google constantly and are not afraid to ask questions. That retarded manliness thing exists entirely in your imagination and is quite annoying, frankly, especially when you start blaming real people for your self-inflicted harm.

>>28
Most women who fantasize about being raped by Haskell, don't actually want Haskell and its functional purity.
\They want a long and thick Python inside them.\

I enjoy her use of the word "remember" instead of "understand". You're not meant to remember that stuff you're meant to understand it, fucking retards thinking math is a recipe book.

Glad F# isn't popular enough to warrant women attention

>>32
Most women hate knowing how things work.

>>32
that is the humanities education for you, where you have to rote memorize the works of some french homosexual, like Jacques Derrida, to be cool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars

Normal People encounter Haskell episode 524

>>29
Clojure is not a LISP.

>>37
Nobody said it is. Either stop projecting so hard, or get a job at a movie theater.

SJW shit

>>32

how would you derive the concept of a cross product from the concept of a vector without knowing about it beforehand?

In mathematics and vector calculus, the cross product or vector product (occasionally directed area product to emphasize the geometric significance) is a binary operation on two vectors in three-dimensional space (R3) and is denoted by the symbol ×. Given two linearly independent vectors a and b, the cross product, a × b, is a vector that is perpendicular to both a and b and therefore normal to the plane containing them. It has many applications in mathematics, physics, engineering, and computer programming. It should not be confused with dot product (projection product).

vector calculus is mathematics dolt

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>>44 muhbles

>>40
Stumble upon a problem that requires X

>>30

I agree.

But I also think from a CS major (not sure if she is that, she has done computer and information science, sounds fishy), you may expect that they at least no the basic principles of linear algebra. And real world Haskell is geared towards the working programmer. It is not uncommon for a programmer to solve a problem with many equations or to work with a vector space.

Computer science is a mathematical field, if she doesn't get that, she is in the wrong field.

a woman learning

Good one m8

Computer science is a mathematical field

LOL wrong century m8

haskell is a codeword for anti white

>>48

Let's hope the software for guided missiles is not written by anyone from after 2000 then.

>>50
good thing I'm an 89' model

https://twitter.com/betsythemuffin/status/743253116749914112

>>52
Someone link her this thread. I don't know how to twitter.

>>53
him*

>>54

It only gets worse, the whole story. So it is actually a faggot complaining about that he didn't understood linear algebra during his study. Her 'friends', whether it be male/female/retard, are not much better: https://twitter.com/vaurorapub

Some piece of 'her' blogpost about her anxiety of stronger male figures. It just fits the whole modern feminist theory. Don't make women stronger, make males weaker:

By contrast, when I’m talking to Bryan I feel afraid, cautious, and fearful. Over the years I worked with Bryan, I watched him shame and insult hundreds of people, in public and in private, over email and in person, in papers and talks. Bryan is no Linus Torvalds – Bryan’s insults are usually subtle, insinuating, and beautifully phrased, whereas Linus’ insults tend towards the crude and direct. Even as you are blushing in shame from what Bryan just said about you, you are also admiring his vocabulary, cadence, and command of classical allusion. When I talked to Bryan about any topic, I felt like I was engaging in combat with a much stronger foe who only wanted to win, not help me learn. I always had the nagging fear that I probably wouldn’t even know how cleverly he had insulted me until hours later. I’m sure other people had more positive experiences with Bryan, but my experience matches that of many others. In summary, Bryan is supporting the status quo of the existing culture of systems programming, which is a culture of combat, humiliation, and domination.

>>1
Women are fine. But cuntbadgers like this should be banned from the internet until they grow the fuck up.

the feminist mindset is a terrible afflication in many ways. This article hilights one particular damage it causes quite well:

When a normal person struggles with a difficult problem he either gives up or works a lot harder.
When a feminist-ridden mind struggles with a difficult problem they give up and then try to find a way to blame some kind of invisible institutional scapegoat.

Always fascinated by those bizarre and twisted mental pathways the brainwashers have created...

>>57

Fundamentally, if you have a problem, it is your problem, nobody else's. If you think somebody is being a dick, that's fine, and you can certainly say that (see her post on Bryan), but either say they're a dick IYHO, or don't: don't blame it on some nebulous institution.

>>54,55

le pedophile sage