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The Pain of systemD...

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-09-18 3:04

...experienced up-close-and-personal. I've only heard bad things about it, but this is the first time I got poettered1 trying to troubleshoot something on a customer's system. It turns out others are complaining about it too:

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdSensibleOutput
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3617
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713567

Some fuckface decided that truncating the output and hiding useful information, adding extra code to deliberately do that and invoke an external program, was somehow "better" than just writing the full output and letting the terminal/pipeline/etc. handle the rest. I'll pipe the output if I need to. WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!

1 poetter; poettering; poettered: a gigantic fuck-up.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 6:35

So? You don't have to use it.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 6:44

systemd is shit? who would've thought!

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 7:02

Systemd is supported by a lot of big people
I'm sure they know what they are doing

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 7:04

>>4
I'm sure they don't

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-09-18 7:31

>>2
trying to troubleshoot something on a customer's system

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 8:16

>>6
Whomst art thou quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 8:17

>>5
They wouldn't be supported by so many corporations though

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 11:08

>>6
what happens if you delete/replace the external program?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 11:25

>>8
corporations are absolutely clueless about software. that's why ETNERPRISE is such a meme (sure, it's about in-house software, but why would they know better when it comes to shrinkwrap or FOSS?)

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 11:28

ENTERPRISE DUBS

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 16:58

>. I've only heard bad things about it, but this is the first time I got poettered1 trying to troubleshoot something on a customer's system.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/704jij/whats_something_you_didnt_realize_how_bad_it_was/

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 19:02

systemd is shit. In other news, water is wet. Can we finally tell Lennart Poettering to fuck off and revert back to using SysVInit? Thanks.

>>10
Debian is corporate?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-18 21:04

>>13
Debian is corporate?
Yep.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-19 17:58

>>10
but why would they know better when it comes to shrinkwrap or FOSS?
Because it has their backing and monetary support

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-19 23:32

>>15
Still quite mismanaged, though.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 0:05

>>13
and revert back to using SysVInit?
I think there should be a new more modern initsystem with little to no feature creep.
That's not to say SysVInit is bad, but it's just that you can't go forward if you stick to the same old thing for decades. SystemD is aids, however.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 3:24

>>17
What's the point? It's not supposed to do much in the first place.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 3:42

>>1
but this is the first time I got poettered
but dou you remember the first time you was niggered?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 3:57

>>19
A few months ago when I went to buy a KFC DoubleDown™.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 8:01

>>15
in-house internal software also has their bakcing and monetary support. it's still shit.

>>17
there exist init systems that are neither sysv nor systemd. like alpine's rc.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 8:41

>>10
Typical large corporation is a shareholder owned entity, that is controlled by some random CEO. Both shareholder and CEOs know near zero about software development, therefore they approve similar managers, who probably know even less. Usually these managers care only about imitation of progress, lying to clients, pleasing shareholders and keeping their high-paid jobs, until money run out.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 8:44

>>22
what does it change? they don't know shit about software so they don't know why their in-house software is shit and they don't know why shrinkwrap or FOSS they use is shit. there's a long history of corporations buying software they don't need, just like they buy into every single technological or programming hype

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-09-20 10:31

>>19
There aren't very many around here.

>>21
Or just https://dis.tinychan.org/read/prog/1422287021

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 11:51

>>24
There aren't very many around here.
so your first time must have been special!

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 20:37

Poettering has a fetish for running his code as close to privileged mode on as many computers as possible.
He can't accept any compromises such as having Linus veto his code (especially after the kdbus fiasco), so the closest he can get is PID 1. Or, as he likes to refer to it on his long daily masturbation sessions, ``PID eins''.
Every evening, Lenny sits on his armchair which he has decorated like a throne, fully naked, and opens the systemD bug tracker. He begins stroking his penis, already hardened by the thought of his virus running on thousands of defenseless home computers and servers, while catching up on the daily stream of bug reports and angry users.
What excites him the most are the legitimate bugs caused by his poor design decisions. While reading those, he fetches the big black PID eins sitting on his desk and begins shoving it up his butt, while masturbating furiously. Then, he begins typing a poor excuse with a workaround involving no less than three command line options, and climaxes just as he closes the bug report with a WONTFIX label.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-20 22:44

I like to install systemd in ring -2.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 3:01

lol Cudder has never been blacked in here life!
Russia
not a shithole

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 3:36

>>28
Cudder doesn't live in Russia.......

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 4:37

>>28
Whom are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 7:07

>>29
Then how come she's never been blacked?

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 11:29

EIN INITIALISIERUNGSPROZESS
EIN UNIXBETRIEBSSYSTEM
EIN LENNART

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 13:50

>>32
SystemD is the Final Solution(tm) to Linux question.

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 17:03

Help!
systemd doesn't summon a disembodied hand to stroke my eerily tiny dick when I use my piece of shit distro on a shitty old terminal!

Name: Anonymous 2017-09-21 19:53

>>1,34
poettering added the not-a-bug label.
poettering closed this.

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