It's here! It's here! C++17 is official!!

https://www.iso.org/standard/68564.html

>>2
It's c++

Is it any good?

Is this Google?

>>3
it's c++, of course it isn't

Doesn't look like it has coroutines.

>>6
they're actually scheduled for C++20.

>>3
SEPPLES is bad, I doubt this is much of an improvement.

>>8
the """""""improvements""""""" they add to sepples to make it behave more like [insert EVERY LANGUAGE EVER] are the biggest thing that makes it bad. they turned a simple idea ('C with classes') into an overly complex, almost impossible to learn unmaintainable mess of a language.

When will it have lazy evaluation and algebraic data type families?

>>9
Has Stroustrup said anything against this? Or does he have the same attitude as Guido with Python?

I was on his lecture in 2011 and he was complaining that sepples programmers don't use enough abstractions because they think that low-level C-like code is faster and that they should use those abstractions because the standard library is well-optimized. so I guess he approves of this shit.

edit: then again, C++11 wasn't that bad, it actually made some things easier (even though it was less of an improvement in general and more of a one step forward and a huge fucking leap backward). everything after that was a pain in the ass though Edited on 07/12/2017 07:44.

>>11
I was on his lecture in 2011 and he was complaining that sepples programmers don't use enough abstractions because they think that low-level C-like code is faster and that they should use those abstractions because the standard library is well-optimized. so I guess he approves of this shit.
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edit: then again, C++11 wasn't that bad, it actually made some things easier (even though it was less of an improvement in general and more of a one step forward and a huge fucking leap backward). everything after that was a pain in the ass though

>>9
A "simple" idea like that wouldn't require a new language.

>>13
I disagree. a syntactic sugar for classes, objects and inheritance is surely less of a pain in the ass than doing eveything with memcpy, malloc, ->, void* and hand-rolled vtables.

>>9
This. Now barely-literate codemonkeys and architecture astronauts showoffs (Herb Stutter...) are writing (or more like copy-pasting) code with the goal of squeezing as many new features as they can, turning simple programs into bloated monsters.

The "deprecation" of features for other (more complex) ones also gets really fucking annoying. It's turning into a bloody fashion show.

Uhm, why would I pay for a language spec?

>>12

they think that low-level C-like code is faster and that they should use those abstractions because the standard library is well-optimized

Incredibly enough, I agree with the man who created the monster known as SEPPLES for once. It does raise the question however: Why did he base his language on goddamn C if he thinks that way?

>>16
You wouldn't because there's no value you would be capable of deriving from it.

>>17
I think he came to that conclusion only when the language was already beyond saving.

>>17
I'd agree with him and you about almost every single language other than Sepples. the point of using abstractions is creating a code that is intuitive, non-boilerplatey and easy to read and write without needing to worry about low-level details (as long as you understand the basics + the problem domain). high-level Sepples code is non-intuitive, boilerplatey and more difficult to read and write than equivalent C (or oldschool 'C with classes' Sepples) code while still requiring you to understand what happens at low level. why bother?

>>16
Because iso

>>16
Da iso fat cats have them copyrighted so people can't put them up for free
The drafts are free https://github.com/cplusplus/draft

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>>24
thanks suigin

>>17

It does raise the question however: Why did he base his language on goddamn C if he thinks that way?

He worked at Bell Labs.

Mfw all the leddit, Kikes , and shareblue are shilling harder than ever.
Mfw I don't care what they say.

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