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Name: Anonymous 2017-12-14 14:31

It is worst of all. Just starting it, without opening any pages, already takes 600 Mb. It constantly accesses HDD and stops the world of garbage collection or page unloading or something. How can something be that bad?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 16:40

>>39
If what you say about inbound feature parity is true (I have my doubts, considering who we are talking about), I have a very simple question: Why the fuck did they break compatibility before the replacement was done?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 16:44

>>41
Ah, good question. As I explained in my rant, I think it was probably out of desperation. What you suggest seems like a reasonable strategy, yes, but keep in mind that's what caused the end for Netscape--and for a bunch of other companies like Microsoft, even. The difference is that Netscape, like Mozilla, only had one product. Part of the reason why Mozilla tried (and failed) to diversify with projects like FirefoxOS. Also why they do a lot of charity work, to secure their place as a nonprofit organization and thus a fraction of their donorbase.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 17:10

It's obviously on their roadmap
Should have waited before killing the old api then.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 17:16

>>43
Waited for what? Wait until the have a fully-featured implementation?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 17:31

>>40,41,42
Er, I should probably amend my last post. Obviously I'm not that optimistic. Mozilla doesn't yet have api's to expose some of the deep-dive functions that XUL could do in an insecure way. Yes, it's frustrating, but the logic is obvious. This is why we don't have addons that mess with passwords, create new UI elements, and more. However, much of the lost functionality is coming. Yes, yes, the counterargument to this would be that neglecting such features is kind of elitist, and, yes, absolutely, that is an elitist thing to do. But just because a decision doesn't mean it's wrong. The people who sincerely want those features can use a fork. ``But those projects are small, they aren't reliable." Yes, and you're also in the minority of people who ``need" those features.

Don't believe me? Mozilla published a blog post talking about api updates. Check it out for yourself--expanding on present functions, adding new functionality; e.g. they get it. Of course I want ALL of the features right out of the box, but, overall, it's a better browser the alternatives. And I won't deny that many of the addons ``ported" to WebEx are neutered. They're mostly there to hold over users until the transition is complete. I will admit that not all developers believe that to be the case, though.

It's not fun, but it's also not something to get buttmad about. ``I'm not mad. You're mad." Yes, you say you aren't mad, yet you consistently sage the thread despite the fact that you're clearly invested and contributing to the discussion. Now, I'm not a psychoanalyst or anything, but what could that suggest? Clearly you're not doing it out of politeness, or else you would be ashamed of the fact that you're even responding to me.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 18:58

But just because a decision doesn't mean it's wrong.
Huh?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 21:43

>>26
modernize their product to address contemporary end-user needs
(using 4gb of RAM to read the news)

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-15 23:25

>>45
It would be the exact opposite of elitist since it's the power users that get fucked over here. As they have been consistently, and I somewhat suspect it's because the Mozilla folks rely on their telemetrics system which most power users disable.

I don't sage the thread, I sage my posts, because I don't think they are worth alerting everybody.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-16 0:56

Rolling out changes incrementally makes much more sense from a development standpoint, because it lets programmers focus on one big feature at a time and discover bugs introduced by that feature as soon as it rolls out, instead of scrambling to do everything at once while the old version stagnates.
The reason why they phased out the old addon API is because stopping everything to work on the new API along with the rest of the rest of the new features would have hurt Mozilla much more than losing a few /g/ros who can't live without their precious addons.
If you're that butthurt you can just stay on ESR until your favourite APIs are reimplemented and your favourite addons ported or superseded. Or use one of the forks, as >>45-san repeatedly suggested.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 1:34

>>47
RAM is cheap

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 2:29

Firetrash just hit me with 100% CPU usage after playing a youtube video for only 1.5 hours.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 2:49

>>50
No it isn't.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 18:43

>>52
It is.
also free ram is wasted ram. don't you know this?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 19:13

>>50

Your mom is cheap.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 19:15

>>53

Nope. Free RAM is the RAM available to other processes, so that they don't crash with out of memory. Moreover, it is good design to have RAM budget, like the old DOS programs and console games had. That way you can be sure that everything will work perfectly.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 19:18

>>51

Watching a Youtube shouldn't consume more than a few megabytes of RAM at any time, because decoder buffers are of fixed size, yet Firefox manages to leak gigabytes of memory during video playback. That is the pinnacle of broken design.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 19:37

>>56
Watching a Youtube shouldn't consume more than a few megabytes of RAM
Youtube is poorly designed. The site is chock full of javashit and other aids.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 20:32

>>57
lol your rebellion against Javascript is so pathetic
it's called the web, it's Javascript and everybody use it
but yeah go on and make a youtube in Scheme that is text only and supports only 5 concurrent connections

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 20:42

>>58
Are you dumb? I said that's why it consumes more than a few megabytes. It doesn't just serve videos.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 22:15

>>58
So you are saying that Youtube is not poorly designed? Have you been to Youtube.com?!

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-17 23:56

>>60

Even Ulillillia left Youtube.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-18 6:45

>>60
I just watch everything through Hooktube and mpv. Haven't seen the YouTube page in what feels like several weeks.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-18 21:21

>>62
watch it through yt-dl instead.

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2017-12-19 3:56

>>63
Use VLC.

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>>64
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Name: Anonymous 2017-12-19 8:16

>>65
VLC media player (commonly known as VLC) is a free and open-source, portable and cross-platform media player and streaming media server developed by the VideoLAN project.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-26 2:56

>>20
This is why /prog/ is crap. People run Windows, and shitpost.

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