Name: Anonymous 2017-12-22 11:26
http://witheve.com/
http://incidentalcomplexity.com/
so I've been reading about the Eve language because I liked what those guys were trying to do with LightTable and my reaction is more or less a huge disappointment. like, they abandoned LightTable for this?
now, don't get me wrong. from what was seen, Eve looks like a nice language for specific tasks. I like the fact that it's trying to bring back logic programming, because logic programming is extremely underrated. but holy shit they're talking about is as if they have literally reinvented programming itself and brought in a new paradigm.
the cool thing about LightTable was that it allowed for live programming with Clojure and FIOC. I like Clojure, I like FIOC and I like live programming so it was off to a good start. Eve has built-in literate programming, which is nice and all, but it's really nothing special nowadays. if you did scientific computing, you'd know that Jupyter allows you to do FIOC-based literate programming in a more powerful ways than Eve. of course nobody outside of scientific computing cares about that because Jupyter just does its own thing instead of being pretentious about 'empathetic' programming 'designed for humans'.
newsflash: most of the fucking programming languages are designed for humans. using them is sometimes hard because of bad language design but mostly because the programmer doesn't understand the task due to either programmer stupidity or task complexity. there's nothing revolutionary about separating a big task into smaller tasks, every programming paradigm allows you to do that in one way or another. logic programming, live programming and literate programming are cool and shoul be brought back but the way they're going on about it is just an excuse for mental masturbation about being a revolutionary thinker.
and it's pissing me off because instead of doing this the practical way with a cool IDE for dynamic languages they've decided to jerk themselves off with a poor man's Prolog with a pitiful stdlib and zero real-life use cases. why continue doing the cool thing when you can cry about text-based code being too hard to understand.
Eve is for people who don't find category theory circlejerk to be contrarian and pretentious enough.
http://incidentalcomplexity.com/
so I've been reading about the Eve language because I liked what those guys were trying to do with LightTable and my reaction is more or less a huge disappointment. like, they abandoned LightTable for this?
now, don't get me wrong. from what was seen, Eve looks like a nice language for specific tasks. I like the fact that it's trying to bring back logic programming, because logic programming is extremely underrated. but holy shit they're talking about is as if they have literally reinvented programming itself and brought in a new paradigm.
the cool thing about LightTable was that it allowed for live programming with Clojure and FIOC. I like Clojure, I like FIOC and I like live programming so it was off to a good start. Eve has built-in literate programming, which is nice and all, but it's really nothing special nowadays. if you did scientific computing, you'd know that Jupyter allows you to do FIOC-based literate programming in a more powerful ways than Eve. of course nobody outside of scientific computing cares about that because Jupyter just does its own thing instead of being pretentious about 'empathetic' programming 'designed for humans'.
newsflash: most of the fucking programming languages are designed for humans. using them is sometimes hard because of bad language design but mostly because the programmer doesn't understand the task due to either programmer stupidity or task complexity. there's nothing revolutionary about separating a big task into smaller tasks, every programming paradigm allows you to do that in one way or another. logic programming, live programming and literate programming are cool and shoul be brought back but the way they're going on about it is just an excuse for mental masturbation about being a revolutionary thinker.
and it's pissing me off because instead of doing this the practical way with a cool IDE for dynamic languages they've decided to jerk themselves off with a poor man's Prolog with a pitiful stdlib and zero real-life use cases. why continue doing the cool thing when you can cry about text-based code being too hard to understand.
Eve is for people who don't find category theory circlejerk to be contrarian and pretentious enough.