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systemd is the definition of scope creep

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 14:52

Why can’t we just go back to sysvinit? What was so bad about it?

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 16:03

Its maintainers were of sufficient skill to maintain that which they created.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 17:04

To be fair, sysvinit was fucking bad and its replacement was way overdue. It's just a shame that the one to replace it had to be the all-engulfing systemd.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 17:43

>>1
What was so bad about it?
Ancient unmaintained software

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 19:05

>>4
Thats not a real reason. It might be an explanation for a real reason. Give actual specific problems please.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 19:57

>>4
And yet you have listed not even one of thoas. I smell the acrid stench of fail being emitted by you. Admit yoar roal.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-25 20:13

Guix is adding support for systemd unit files in their init system written in Scheme https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GSoC-2018-Projects

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 2:29

>>5,6
Name something actually wrong with systemd.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 2:32

>>8
An init process is only supposed to be an init process.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 3:06

>>9
Give actual specific problems please.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 3:16

>>10
That is a real problem. Separation of concerns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 21:51

>>8
It's a massive tumor that doesn't even do anything with all that code. Linux is full of useless garbage like that. The Linux kernel itself is like that. An ``init system'' shouldn't even exist. It's the Linux version of CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Why does that need more code than an entire OS used to need?
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?px=systemd-2017-Git-Activity&page=news_item
systemd Breached One Million Lines Of Code In 2017

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-26 23:21

>>12
What OS do you use?

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 1:04

>>13
netBSD.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 1:25

>>14
Not GPL so it's lame. Why don't you use software with licenses that encourage free software?

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 3:01

>>12
Actually
1.DOS was 1000x simpler
2.Autoexec.bat was something like bash.rc
3.Majority of init was in IO.SYS, config.sys was extremely short config file for io.sys(5-10 lines of directive about loading drivers and memory setup)

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 16:52

>>16

The only bad thing about DOS, is that command.com had no autocompletion and piping

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 16:54

>>17

Still, I dislike pipes, because it would be better to create temporary files, which are then processed in order of their appearance. You're still forced to split log files in Linux anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 17:30

>>17
There were pipes and they were identical to Unix

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 17:47

>>17
You could have autocomplete with a simple registry change
https://www.computerhope.com/tips/tip51.htm

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 18:13

DOS was a disaster, fuck off.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 18:56

>>21
yet it was very easy to put graphics on screen in DOS: just
((uint8_t*)(0xB0000))[y*320+x] = pixel

compare that to setting up framebuffer in Windows 10.

the barrier of entry was very low.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 19:46

>>22
why u compare texxt interface to a MANAGED gui

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 20:17

>>23
manage my anus

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-27 23:31

>>22
it was very easy to put graphics on screen
Terry Davis, is that you?

He seems obsessed with the idea of making it simple to draw to the screen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3cd4sn/somebody_other_than_me_wrote_a_templeos_app/csuke4u/?context=3

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-28 0:59

>>22
(drawpixel x y pixel)

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2018-04-28 4:23

>>1
https://dis.tinychan.org/read/prog/1505703847

>>12
https://dis.tinychan.org/read/prog/1422287021

Not systemd but related, this piece of ENTERPRISE QUALITY shit has infected the buntus and might be spreading:

https://netplan.io/

Network configuration on Linux started out simple, so simple that retarded appers keep piling layer up layer of bloated crap on top. All I use on my Linux system is ifconfig and dhcpcd called from my single AUTOEXEC.BAT-like init script --- no runlevels, no other crap.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-28 12:04

>>25
While Terry is crazy, you need to be crazy to question mainstream.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-28 12:24

>>26
In practice, it is considered now very advanced stuff. Today no tutorial on graphics will teach how to put pixel on screen:
https://learnopengl.com/Advanced-OpenGL/Framebuffers

that framebuffer chapter comes far after you learn about that useless bezier crap and nurbs. And OpenGL Red Book doesn't mention framebuffer at all.

Name: Anonymous 2018-04-28 12:28

>>29
Then you find, that it doesnt do what you want, because the access is uber slow, so modern OpenGL makes your're are game running slower than DOS without any graphics acceleration on ancient PC:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39821850/why-is-glreadpixels-so-slow-and-are-there-any-alternative
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