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ASLR

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 19:08

redpill me on address space layout randomization *holds up spork* so randum xD

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 20:43

It is a dumb hack for people who do not bother making secure programs.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 20:49

>>2
elaborate plz

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 21:52

It was a tech to mitigate bufer overflow attacks in 1980s

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 22:11

It is like playing RTS with a fog of war and hoping that your enemy has no maphack. Security by obscurity. Edited on 07/12/2018 22:12.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-07 23:39

more memory = more secure

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-08 7:01

>>6
Unironially, ASLR is good on 64bit memory space because there is lots of random prefixes to load images. On 32bit there is too little space.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-08 17:45

512-bit addresses in order to make ASLR work properly.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-08 21:30

So what benefit does the randomization have? Is it something to do with stack overflows in nearby memory locations?

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-08 22:38

>>9
It prevents you from knowing the memory layout so it protects against any exploits that require having specific things at specific addresses, if it's implemented properly. So attacks using things like ROP and buffer overflows are harder.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 0:20

>>10
Are there ways to get around ASLR to still do ROP or overflows anyway? Can you somehow predict the randomness or figure out the memory locations of the things you want to change?

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 1:48

>>11
Yes, there are many papers on this topic.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 1:49

>>12
such as...?

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 19:41

>>13
Give a man a journal and he can read for a day, now go look it up for yourself, you lazy shit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 20:20

>>14
What do I look like, Aaron Schwartz?

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-09 21:36

>>15
Libgen is free to mirror, and so is crawling a search engine.
Wikipedia has the best article.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-10 7:40

>>11
the way around it is finding and exploiting memory leaks. you find a pointer to a known place in a library and then use offsets to access ROP gadgets (because offsets within a lib don't change, only its starting position)

Name: Hacker News 2018-12-10 11:36

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18624915 -- Why Robot Brains Need Symbols

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-10 14:09

>>18
High-level concrete logic is needed, the low-level bruteforce statistics won't cut it in the long run. THe flimsy, weak side of neural networks is that they are built on restricted data.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-11 0:10

>>19
They are called expert systems and were the main thing behind some of the previous AI winters.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-11 3:26

>>16
Libgen is free to mirror, and so is crawling a search engine.

It is run by Russians. Like actually funded by Kremlin.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-11 7:19

Russians fund my dubs. make your're are game

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-11 8:39

>>21
prove it

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-11 12:05

>>23
prove my anus

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 7:17

Would unikernels benefit from ASLR? I read a brief primer on the subject of unikernels and they said they are single address space only...

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 9:53

ASLR is a technology invented by Terry Davis for his TempleOS to protect his Ring Zero. Terry is a genius,

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 11:47

>>26
Fake News.TemplesOS uses direct addressing without virtual memory.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 12:28

>>27
Not based. Log off.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 12:59

The fact that TempleOS has no paging and uses straightforward identity mapping of memory, no paging and no virtual memory. I know this is an anathema to any Windows-type o/s but a straight-forward memory map is appealing for very quick o/ses in these days of massive memory systems.
https://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15846

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-15 20:42

>>29
just because templeOS is minimal for memory and security doesn't mean it's good

ring 0 everything is terrible and lazy

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 5:15

>>30
ring 0 everything is terrible
How so? It's actually the best option.
- Performance: one of the most time-consuming operations is switching contexts, something which is needed for every syscall.
- Minimalism: Templeos will be able to be ported just fine to architectures that are not bloated intel crapware with 10 million different side channel attacks.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 7:39

>>31
you're just a contrarian dude who says dumb shit because you think it's funny, but you and I both know it's garbage for security

imagine running everything as root all the time

terrible!

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 11:36

x

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 13:54

>>32
Not him, but for many applications ring 0 is superior.
Multi-user systems are dead and most systems are used for just one application.

How does a driver’s test, an advertising board or a cash register benefit from rings?

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 14:18

>>34
How does a driver’s test, an advertising board or a cash register benefit from rings?
if they're IoT or otherwise internet-connected then people are gonna find them on shodan or masscan and then they'll be a part of some botnet doing nefarious things if they don't have proper security

protection rings help

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 15:45

>>35
What do rings have to do with network security?
Sure, people will do their own networking stuff, which will suck, but you can still use prebuilt stuff made by semi-intelligent people.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-16 15:58

>>32
No, I am being completely serious. As for running everything as root, it does not matter at all as long as you are a single user.

>>35
You can run botnets in userspace. Not to mention that dependent types would have prevented any potential threads.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-18 1:33

I like ASLR. Listening to it gives me a tingly feeling much like when I
  
wank
  
.

Name: Anonymous 2018-12-18 2:10

>>38
ASMR isn't ASLR

Don't change these.
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