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Hardware that respects my freedom?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 12:12

Yep.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 13:41

Gluglug X60

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 14:44

>>2
no chink shit

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 15:11

Start by melting some sand...

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 15:45

>>4

Then what?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 17:07

Serious please.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 17:39

Does Open Source really increase concurrency and lower prices?

Linux haven't stopped Microsoft from being lazy and selling ancient WinXP during 00ies. And Windows 7 haven't produced any significant advantage, like Microsoft's other projects, like Singularity, promised. Software still being written using C/C++ and segfaults on you.

Other example are gaming consoles: XBox360 costs less than PS3, despite PS3 using more open source components.

This leads us to conclusion that Open Source movement doesn't push technology forwards.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 17:42

>>7
Open source and technology pushing are not necessarily correlated inversely or directly.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 18:08

>>8

The original idea was that making software open source would lower barrier of entry and force developers to innovate.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 18:55

>>7,8
Shut up, stop spewing your disinformation and misinformation. Also don't post on this site if you aren't from the US.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 19:57

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-13 20:20

>>9
There are many ideas. There is no single motivation for using or developing open source software.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-14 1:31

>>12
Because fuck loving thy neighbour, right?

>>10
This is a multicultural community. Go back to stormfront, whitey.

>>9
s/force/encourage/?

>>7
That's not even terrible quality trolling.

>>3
no [racist slur for Chinese person] shit
I don't think you have much choice in this matter. Unless you wirewrap your own computer out of 7400 chips, or find someone who has access to a photolithography machine and suck eir dick/clit.

>>1
https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Freest

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-14 1:56

>>13
Thanks.

Name: >>12 2014-07-14 4:33

>>13
I don't think you understand what I meant.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-14 18:50

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 1:10

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 1:59

>>17
The bare board is 550$ and the actual laptop is 2200$. Why?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 5:19

>>18

The cost of open source.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 7:28

>>19
More like the cost of small scale manufacturing.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 12:26

>>19,20
Then why are the BeagleBoner/Cubieboard around ten times cheaper then?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 13:22

>>21
It doesn't come in a fancy box.

Name: >>18,21 2014-07-15 17:36

>>22
Oh wait, maybe it's the LVDS converter (50$) as well as the LCD panel (50$) and battery controller (10$) and the extra memory (40$) and the fancy metal case (50$). Wait, that still doesn't add up.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:11

There's a bunch of random Allwinner tablets (same SoC as Cubieboard) on Aliexpress; I think it's just a matter of convincing one of companies that make them to open source their bootloader and/or embedded controller and market it as "librebook" or some shit like that.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:35

>>18

Exclusive product tax. $2200 is a low price for becoming a truly edgy nonconformist hipster.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:40

https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware
This is the best list of ARM SoC hardware I know of.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:47

>>25
CTOП ПOCTИHГ

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:53

>>27
Чего злой такой, прочитай лучше туториал про линзочки:
https://www.fpcomplete.com/user/tel/a-little-lens-starter-tutorial

мимокрок

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 18:58

ARM
instant fail underperfomant hard-to program gameboy crap.

we desperately need open hardware x86 implementation

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:02

>>29
go open up your kickstarter.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:06

>>30

I'm not a U.S. citizen, otherwise I wouldn't have needed cheap x86 in the first place. When you job pays you more than $1000, you don't basically care about saving like $10 on a CPU.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:25

>>31

I earn 900$...

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:32

>>32
Try getting a green-card. If they pay you $900 in your shithole, you will be earning like $2000 in America.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:39

>>33

But I heard getting a job in america sucks, you have to get a phd if you want anything better than dishwashing and even if you are a dishwasher they will prefer someone with "experience", also there's no healthcare and way too many niggers. And since I'm not black the liberals will not pity me and give me benefits. If only I could find myself an american sugar momma, preferably one who's not fat, then she could sustain my existence in america

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:41

>>32

Moreover, if you are bright and got a sound idea, America gives you opportunity to start your own business, while in other countries you are pretty much screwed to be toilet scrubber all the way down.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:44

>>32
Be careful not to fall sick though, otherwise you'll quickly achieve bankruptcy and die because AMERICA FUCK YEAH.

>>31-33 take it to /lounge/ please.

>>29
we desperately need open hardware x86 implementation
Cudder, could you please confirm whether any x86 instructions are still covered by Intel patents?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:48

>>34

But I heard getting a job in america sucks, you have to get a phd if you want anything better than dishwashing and even if you are a dishwasher they will prefer someone with "experience", also there's no healthcare and way too many niggers.
1. It is a lot easier to fake education in America, than say in Russia, due to American liberal past, state system, private colleges and absence of government book-keeping. Moreover, faking PhD is not a crime in America, as it is in Russia.
2. Most American employers don't care about PhD, unless it is from MIT or some other over-hyped institution.
3. America gives you more opportunities for freelance and sub-contractor employments.
4. You will have to fake PhD anyway to get a green-card, while Department of State does background checks, it is not that robust and can be tricked.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 19:53

>>37
faking PhD is not a crime in America
Unless you feel like practising law or medicine.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 20:02

>>38

These are definitely subject to extensive background checks. And you wont be able to get a lawyer job anyway, unless you have a lot of networking from university.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 22:23

I think the most cost-effective measure to get fully auditable hardware would be to make a kickstarter for hiring a hitman to break into the Intel or AMD or Allwinner offices, retrieve the CPU's full sources (including the tools and internal documentation), and publish them all online for everyone to see and audit.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 22:36

>>40

Or you can just get a toilet scrubber job at Intel and copy a few CADs, when nobody is looking.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 22:49

I think one of the reasons IC manufacturers don't publish their designs is to prevent being sued for patent infringement. Since IC designs are already protected by copyright, maybe it would be a good idea to change the law so that ICs become unpatentable (the way software is should be is should be). Actually, to give manufacturers an incentive to open their sources, maybe the law could only grant IC patent immunity for ICs whose full sources have been published.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 23:08

>>42

Manufacturers have no incentive to expose internals, because releasing source code would make competitor's work easier. For example, leaked Windows 2000 source code greatly boosted Wine's development.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 23:16

>>43
Capitalism is anti-human and a bane to human progress and ought to be destroyed.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-15 23:18

>>44

Humans are anti-capitalism and a bane to capitalistic progress and ought to be destroyed.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 2:00

>>45
capitalistic progress
Capitalism is a stasis where the select few are rich and getting richer, and the vast majority are poor and getting poorer.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 2:28

>>46

To able progress, and the inept lose their place. Hygienization of humanity

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 2:29

>>47

*The able

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 2:48

>>47
Able to what? Able to lie, cheat and steal? Or able to get richer when they're already rich?
Rupert Murdock can lie in bed and masturbate all day and still make more money than you, even if you work 60 hours a week.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 3:03

>>46

Then how come American niggers are a lot richer than African ones and live better than African nobility?

Name: >>42 2014-07-16 4:05

>>43
Manufacturers have no incentive to expose internals, because releasing source code would make competitor's work easier. For example, leaked Windows 2000 source code greatly boosted Wine's development.
That's true. I didn't say patent risk was the only reason, just that it was an important one.

Also, I'm not sure how much it would really help the competitors; I don't think I know enough about CPU design. However, if it does eventually help competitors, that's a good thing for users since we'll get better CPUs faster.

Another thought; the innovation-rewarding benefits of secrecy wouldn't be entirely lost: they could also only publish the sources at the very last minute as the IC is about to hit the shelves. It would take the competitors a fair amount of time to clean room reverse engineer any technological advances (and then to integrate them into their own designs, test, etc.), so in the meantime the innovating company would get lots of sales for having some clever unique feature; innovation is rewarded.

>>44
I somewhat agree with you. The point of any economic system in a democratic society is to serve the people (in practice this works out as making the people feel served); in this case, the interests of the companies (i.e. to make money faster by stifling competition) are getting in the way of the interests of the people (i.e. safer computing). Sure, in an idealized capitalist system every actor has perfect information of what's best for them and literally everyone would avoid hardware they can't trust, but that's hardly a realistic assumption.

>>45
That was VIP quality!

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 4:18

>>51

if it does eventually help competitors, that's a good thing for users since we'll get better CPUs faster.
Intel doesn't care about users or better CPUs. The only motive for Intel's existence is to make money for the shareholders.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 4:23

>>52

Moreover, users dont want anyone to care about them. If you put in charge a person who cares, such person would push command-line interface, instead of GUI, because GUI is less flexible and dumbs users down. People are self-indulgent, so they love inefficient and dumb things, like x86.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 4:27

People vote politicians and companies who indulge their hideous lifestyle. That is why McDonalds makes billions, while restaurants serving healthy food get bankrupt.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 4:44

>>52
Re-read my post carefully. In the paragraph that answers to post forty-four (>>44) I make exactly that point.

>>53
If you put in charge a person who cares, such person would push command-line interface,
Say that to my 90 year old grandparents not online and see what happens.

instead of GUI, because GUI is less flexible and dumbs users down.
My answer to that is                 LISP                 .

>>54
That is why McDonalds makes billions, while restaurants serving healthy food get bankrupt.
That might also have something to do with pricing and wage slavery in the United States of America.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 14:21

>>54
The people want what they want. Is it really the people's fault that tasty nutritious food is more expensive than tasty cheap junk?

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 16:57

>>56
Is it really the people's fault that they give in to cheap appetizers instead of wholesome food? Yes, it is. Every member of "the people" is responsible for not being a human and going along with propaganda and the herd.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:12

>>57
Assigning blame is unscientific and ultimately destructive.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:34

>>58
Reasoning is scientific and ultimately constructive.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:40

>>59
That isn't what scientific means or is or what reasoning is. And reason isn't limited to science's petty and childish empiricism.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:41

Science isn't ultimately constructive either. It's more like the opposite.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:49

>>60
Discovering reasons behind the social behavior of primates is scientific.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:51

>>62
Fuck off with your bestiality.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:54

>>59
Reasoning by assigning blame isn't.

>>60
Looks like the hateful positivist is doing eir rounds again.

>>60-62
Take this to /lounge/.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 17:55

>>64
I'm positive that you're a nigger lover.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 18:07

>>64
eir
Please leave this board and go spread your degeneracy somewhere else, preferably in a mental institution together with all the other feminists.

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-16 18:18

>>65-66
/lounge/

Name: /back2/ 2014-07-18 10:22

>>67
/back2/

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-18 20:56

Wat

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-20 18:04

Dubs

Name: Anonymous 2014-07-20 22:00

check 'em

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