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Advice to Intel: Make x86 great again

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2018-07-28 5:54

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3036660/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-processors-delayed-again-until-late-2019

Quit fucking around with the ME, DRM, security, diversity bullshit, web "developers", UEFI, process shrinks, etc. and get back to finishing iDDR and E64, optimising REP/REPNZ/REPZ and the other instructions, and release something worth buying again. Clownlake is long overdue.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 6:16

x86 is on life support, ARM is the future.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 7:04

>>2
* RISC-V

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 10:07

>>1
Or just let x86 die. x86 is simply a bloated shit that acts as a wrapper on top of another shitty RISC internal instruction set that does the actual job. Instead we need VLIW processors that can make efficient use of parallelism and are not constrained by the need to be backwards compatible with ancient processors.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 11:27

>>3
RISC-V is a hardware HURD that doesn't have fucking overflow flags. If processors become even more primitive, maybe it will stop being obvious that C isn't close to the hardware and lack of overflow/bounds checks can be justified, or whatever the fuck. Who gives a shit about higher pipeline performance if you could kill entire error classes at the hardware level? In the nineties, typed architectures and all the good stuff was expensive as hell, but that's the past. Yet the only thing the high transistor budget is used for is making buggy shitware run a little faster.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 11:32

>>4
x86 will not die because
1.Its deeply entrenched with closed source software.
2.There are no competitors at Desktop PC level. All hardware is tied to intel/amd cpu capabilities(MSI,gigabyte,Asrock,etc)
3.It provides features considered secondary to CPU purpose: iGPU,virtualization,video codecs,etc essentially a System on Chip, where features migrate into CPU die. CPU-only focused products will not compete well, if you force users to buy videocards or need any extra chips.
Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_processing_unit#GPU_accelerated_video_decoding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_TrueAudio

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2018-07-28 16:46

>>4
x86 is a compressor for ultra-wide uops and saves memory bandwidth and cache.

Don't believe the marketing, x86 is not "RISC inside" --- uops are even wider than RISC instructions and actually more like VLIW. It's actually "Intel inside".

VLIW
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. The Itanic will remain sunk. Worse than RISC.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-28 18:06

>>7
RISC and VLIW are not mutually exclusive and there have been architecture designs making use of both.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-29 1:23

>>5
Why would you want typed in the runtime?

>>6
Let non-free software die.

>>7
Itanium failed only because Intel is shit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 3:12

I think x86 could be relegated to niche corner by 2030. It's death will be slow and long, but it begins now.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 3:30

Tried to necro-bump an old thread instead of creating a new one, but didn't realize that's been disallowed by admin-san. Instead will post here.

I was recently invited to visit MSR's QuArC lab with a couple dozen other devs. Technically under NDA, but idgaf. I've seen some shit to dispel the myth that quantum computing won't ever be accessible to normie devices. Namely, you need to know that mainstream quantum processors will be a reality in about 8-10 years, able to run at standard operating temperature of 32C-70C without exotic cooling. Some NV guys were there, and they were talking about prototypes of QFT raytracing hardware able to sample all possible rays per pixel in a single timestep, with reasonable probability that 99.999% of pixels were accurate. Also lots of security guys.

Anyway, when I got home, I immediately started switching over to using NTRU public/private keys instead of RSA.

Also, if you want to know what you should spend time learning next, now you know. Will start being big in about 4-5 years, presentation I saw said $200 billion industry by then, and $1-$2 trillion by 2030.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 4:58

prototypes of QFT raytracing hardware able to sample all possible rays per pixel in a single timestep
Raytraced VR will be incredible. This also means all current videocards are obsolete. Will this also speed up search in arrays? Vectorization of ops to quantum sampling like "Test array for X"

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 7:50

advice to Cudder: make your're are browser

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 11:04

>>11
Sounds like the usual marketing bullshit from the quantum crowd. QC has been ``just around the corner'' for several decades by now. Even if you ignore all the attempts to redefine QC from quantum Turing machine to can-do-certain-optimization-problems machine, it's basically the CS cold fusion.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 12:16

>>5
http://www.geekdave.in/2018/07/indias-first-risc-v-is-here-linux-boots.html

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 13:37

>>15
Still does not have a carry flag.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 16:05

>>16
U MENA CURRY

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 18:24

>>16
RISC-V only includes what GCC needs.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-30 20:35

>>18
More like GCC was patched to support RISC-V years before any hardware existed.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-02 13:21

Two of the things I was under embargo for were lifted.

https://www.titech.ac.jp/english/news/2018/042001.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-018-0137-y
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-018-0136-z

Look into topological quantum computation with non-Abelian anyons.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-03 5:13

>>20
Is this like photonic circuits?

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-03 6:26

>>20
Is this a good book? http://easing.me/books/An%20Introduction%20to%20Quantum%20Computing%2C%20Without%20the%20Physics.pdf

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-03 8:20

>>20
Yes but more. There are different applications. As with everything in the semiconductor industry, first applications are usually in memory, but it's also possible to create topological quantum gates, as this substrate is a topological insulator that exhibits the properties of a Quantum Hall Liquid. Search it. Basically, quasiparticles (that couple electrons) within the same neighborhood exhibit the same state, so it provides implicit error correction and redundancy for re-entanglement while preserving the observed state. As a topological insulator, it has time-reversal symmetry and computations can be done in reverse. Remember the movie Primer? Yeah, that's what the fictional characters were researching.

>>22
This paper is a gentle but rigorous introduction to quantum computing intended for computer scientists.
You want to learn specifically about topological quantum computing and Majorana qubit circuits. Reading papers will only get you so far. You need to acquire the right perspective, like the perspective we all got from watching Hal Abelson's SICP lectures.

Watch this, then dive into the papers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2K82EVGxaI

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-04 8:38

Quit fucking around with the ME
If you are not an Islamic terrorist or a Russian spy, you have nothing to hide from US government. If you're, then just go blow yourself in a secluded place.

DRM
Do you want people to crack you software? Ideally, only author should have control over his code.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-04 8:40

>>1
web "developers"
Web languages actually need good hardware support for stuff like garbage collection and dynamic type dispatch. Today JavaScript is a huge performance bottleneck, yet JS software is easier to produce than C++

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-04 9:08

>>24
What if you are neither but you have data that is illegal in the US? Such as bestiality and loli comics.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-04 20:31

>>24
0/10

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-06 1:30

>>26
you need to be banned permanently

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-06 8:17

>>24
your're are an anus

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-06 11:33

>>24
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-06 13:39

>>26
Loli is not illegal in the US

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-06 15:50

>>31
go away

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-09 5:02

More "discoveries" keep on coming.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05913-4

I'll give you a hint, there's already a handful of known materials other than bismuth-antimony capable of room temperature topological insulation, with production processes currently being patented and the scientific preprints being readied for public release.

There's going to be non-stop topological insulators/quantum hall effect/quantum computing "break-throughs" for the next year or two. The cartel has already been put together and how the information will be used has already been decided.

The truth is that this is all a front. This is the result of a technology transfer from the ayyys in exchange for denuclearization and ceasation from space travel beyond LEO for the next 150 years.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-09 6:31

>>33
Thats bullshit. Asteroid mining is going to be huge industry soon.
Nukes aren't going away too, countries keep them as last resort deterrent. A global deal with aliens wouldn't exist at all because each country has its own interests. Plus you don't specify which alien species.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-10 6:04

>>34
Not a joke. I don't what species. All I know is what someone in the know told me. That this doesn't come from a terrestrial source.

More "discoveries" in the past 24 hours.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-08/uow-fup080918.php
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180809141149.htm
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05851-1

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-10 6:07

>>34
As for your other concerns. What was North Korea descalation really about? What's the US Space Force supposed to be for (hint, making sure no one sends manned flights out too far). Connect the dots.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-10 6:51

>>36
dude take your pills

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-10 15:57

>>36
Actually its just a bureaucratic conversion of Air Force Space Command, it doesn't create magical startrek capability.
Also, it wouldn't have budgets from Air Force/Navy/Army programs related to space, so it will actually be smaller, but more concentrated on one field.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-11 11:38

>>36
The space force is there to give more money to Boeing for creating jpgs of space vessels. Also take your medication before you start ranting about the secret muslim nazi illuminati.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 10:27

Aliens are real. I have watched the 6 seasons of UFO Hunters and it's true.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 10:29

https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/rosenbridge

x86 was never great

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:30

>>41
Only affects VIA CPUs. Who cares?

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:35

>>42
first we have meltdown and spectre which should have affected only intel but also affected amd. then we have this which only affects via. what next? the problem is that x86 is a bloated, overly complicated, unauditable mess of legacy features, hidden features, patent-protected features, additional processors running additional OSes and plenty of other shit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:37

advice to /prague/: make my dubs checked again

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2018-08-13 11:44

>>41
Took a decade for someone to discover something already documented in the datasheet and spin it as a "vulnerability". Shows just how idiotic these "security" people are.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:46

>>45
wait, there's a documented feature that allowed execution as ring 0 from ring 3? truly amazing hardware design!

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:47

You are mission: implement a x86 emulator that only supports mov.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 11:54

>>47
the same guy who wrote the exploit in >>41 actually made a C compiler that emits only movs. it actually works

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-13 16:38

>>48
Thats because move in x86 is really versatile.
https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2018-08-14 11:39

>>46
It's a feature, not a bug. Cumb dunt.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-14 17:43

>>50
I haven't heard that one in years.

Name: Anonymous 2018-08-16 6:41

>>50
it's a feature to have security features and then a built-in backdoor which bypasses them. your're are truly a genius, C*dder!

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-12 7:10

>>52
Sadly, this entire thread confirms Cudder, or this imposter, is an Intel employee throughout.
The better question would be, what libre CISC designs can we build upon.
None of us trust Intel Aviv with our bodies, so what architectures are there to play with?

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-12 22:13

It's a backdoor 'feature' for sure, it's stated as such in the patent filings.

See the 2014 god mode defcon vid.

Name: Anonymous 2018-10-14 13:36

>>53
Why CISC? VLIW is the future.
Don't change these.
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