Refusing to accept that lisp is dog slow is a mental illness. I'm kinda discouraged from lisp by people like that, especially CL which reeks of denial.
Is it still worth reading sicp?
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Anonymous2020-02-10 14:32
>>2 If you think SICP is about Lisp you're too stupid to get anything out of it.
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Anonymous2020-02-10 15:28
>>3 It wastes my time introducing lisp and lisp concepts and forces me to think in lisp so it is at least partly about lisp. Every time a sicp for language x comes up people here are triggered, which wouldn’t be the case if it wasn’t about lisp.
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Anonymous2020-02-10 15:39
I guess, but I don't think a strawman is really beneficial to yourself.
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Anonymous2020-02-10 16:31
You're right.
I'm too proud to not read it anyway, now that I've bought it. It's just an uncomfortable feeling investing time in something. You could be investing time better. The thought doesn't stop nagging. On the plus side this nagger keeps you from wasting away 20 years on some toylang. On the miserable side it sucks the fun out of everything.
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Anonymous2020-02-10 17:05
I understand you. I feel that way about a lot of things. We spend so much time in leisure and work, it makes the time allotted for greater aspirations feel like a scarce commodity – so much so that we negotiate, compromise, wage political campaigns when it comes to deciding what specifically to do. When the war is over, all we're left with is our fleeting mortality and wastoid remorse.
If it's any consolation, I've had two people come up to me and ask me "where to start with programming". I usually tell them to read "Learn Python the Hard Way"; even though I have deep reservations about Python and Zed Shaw's instructional method, I understand the practical necessity of a simple, definitive manual that ultimately lets the reader participate in the industry in a way they couldn't when the started.
>>6 general programming/design concepts are useful beyond lisp/scheme but a lot of the stuff in the book is scheme-specific. so it can be useful if your're are not interested in lisp, but not the entire thing and it will not be directly applicable. the real reason for reading it (and why it's so popular on the internet) is, beyond challenging how you think about ramming progs, to enjoy the weird/eccentric writing style which I wish was more popular as opposed to dry academic jargon and occasional trying-too-hard 'how do you do fellow kids' memery
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Anonymous2020-02-11 9:10
>>8 Let's see you making a lisp os with < 300ms latency.
Schemers spend more time writing TLDR texts than the actual code.
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Anonymous2020-02-11 16:20
Just because you spend your time learning something not directly applicable to real world applications doesn't mean it's time wasted. Challenging exercises challenge you. Lots of math people look down on programming because it's not pure, and there's wasted effort/talent spent making software that people don't necessarily use; whereas, every contribution to math is kind of permanent and irrefutable. What they don't understand is, like most education, it's an analytical exercise which builds neural pathways. Sure, there are many abstract concepts you learn in school which aren't practically useful, but the point is that you learn how to interface with those abstractions. You're taught how to think and learn according to various paradigms, and that accomplishment can be applied to any kind of work.
I hate people who don't like art or fiction. So myopic. Learning is fun. I may not be an artist, but doing studies, reading Loomis, etc. builds my spatial skills as well as my patience and my self-confidence as it pertains to how willing I am to learn new stuff. That spatial ability can be used for geometry, puzzles, general critical thinking and problem solving. Fiction let's us think about ethics, metaphysics, philosophy, empathy, and other stuff in a way that isn't confined to our cultural circumstance.
>>14 The only brainlet here is the one who wasted 20 years learning LISP.
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Anonymous2020-02-12 12:42
>>15 I thought Lisp is a simple language, you can learn in a week.
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Anonymous2020-02-12 13:12
Not if you're a blogger brainlet....
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Anonymous2020-02-13 21:34
>>13 Most people waste their brain away playing games, watching TV or just cooooming. Perhaps playing with abstractions is a cope and a time waster, but it is a cope that keeps me mentally stable.
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Anonymous2020-02-13 21:40
>>18 Online video games can be useful, if you use them as chat to socialize. You can play pong or monopoly with your boyfriend/girlfriend. TV gives you something to watch and discuss with others. LISP gives you only terminal autism.
>>19 Social Networks were invented for people who want to "chat and socialize", inspired by early online gaming networks and replaced this social niche.
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Anonymous2020-02-14 15:46
Terminal autism gave me LISP.
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Anonymous2020-02-14 15:49
>>18 In defense of video games, they can be very stimulating in healthy ways. They can be artistic, which is good for the soul, and they can be challenging, which is good for the mind. To top it off, they are an extremely safe and cheap form of recreation.
Cooming and tv less so. Ergo, zoomers > boomers.
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Anonymous2020-02-14 19:33
>>23 True,I was overly harsh on them. Also there is legitimate value in relaxation.
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Anonymous2020-02-17 14:12
Send me 5 bitcoins to relax
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Anonymous2020-02-17 17:26
>>25 Sorry, I don't find that to be very relaxing.
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Anonymous2020-02-18 0:07
>>24 I wouldn't say that. It's more therapeutic to produce stuff like art or software. When you're not productive, you become the kind of person who shitposts in textboards.