Obviously there is Plan 9 and Inferno, but they are Unix and Unix is not the goal. Neither are they good enough for practical use. But then there's FreeBSD.
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Anonymous2014-04-15 11:31
UNIX is OS X, Solaris, HP-UX, and AIX. Plus K-UX, whatever the fuck that is.
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Anonymous2014-04-15 11:46
Why do people differentiate between Solaris and Linux HP-UX and the like?
They are ALL Unix variants and should all be referred to as unix variants. And if they don't want to be called unix variants they can start but not leaching off of unix.
>>5 Showing that the landscape of software today is a very sad one.
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Anonymous2014-04-15 13:53
>>3 Linux isn't even an OS; Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc. are OS. And the point is that they can't be called unix unless they pay for that privilege. Then you have Linux based things like Android that are only minimally unix-like.
>>6 Okay, and I guess that by ``software'' you're specifically talking about operating systems. So why restrict yourself to FreeBSD, Plan 9, and Inferno? You've included obscure-enough systems in there that I want to question ``Why not DragonflyBSD? Why not any (GNU+ or not) Linux-based distribution? Why not Haiku or ReactOS? Why not TempleOS?'' What criterion are you using that makes you ignore all but three operating systems?
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Anonymous2014-04-15 14:16
Why not OpenBDSM or Hurd?
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Anonymous2014-04-15 14:49
>>10 Do they have the teledildonics drivers functioning properly yet? Last I tried, it was kinda ... let's just say not so good.
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Anonymous2014-04-15 15:35
ReactOS Obviously, there is Windows and OS2, but those are NT and NT is not the goal. Neither are they incomplete enough for academic use. But then there's ReactOS.
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Anonymous2014-04-16 1:31
Perl Obviously there is C and C++, but they are compiled and compiled is not the goal. Neither are they beautiful enough for artistic purpose. But then there's Perl.
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Anonymous2014-04-16 2:07
Well the point is that you people dislike Unix and anything Unix is not the goal. Something lisp based is. But none of those lisp based OS's are good for practical use (and that includes those more esoteric and ``respectable'' Unix OS's (plan 9, etc) ). But then there's FreeBSD, superior to OpenBSD and the best practical operating system for a person interested in computing and not just computing but quality computing and who is in the ``know'' (you).
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Anonymous2014-04-16 2:18
OpenBSD is great for networking -- complex routing and firewalls, simple mail and proxy servers. FreeBSD is great for ENTERPRIES application servers. Plan 9 is a delightful video game for programmers, and as a side effect is a pretty nice development environment, even for code that will run on other platforms.
>>15 And what's great as a fucking desktop OS (that is also great for technical users)? Not fucking linux, linux is a piece of shit and windows is winblows. Not mac.....
>>6 If the goal is to have everyone use an operating system with over 100 system calls (many of which do very similar things) I don't agree with the goal. I don't see how a system that is so large it has new major security exploits discovered every month is ``practical''.
OpenBSD is actually a pretty nice desktop for Unix fans. You get a nice Unix with no bullshit, but it can run modern Firefox and has pretty good support for modern laptops.
You never really went steady, but you'd run into her from time to time while knocking around in disreputable joints, usually late at night, every several months or so. She looked so hot, so sleek, so sexy, so expressive, so exotic. You'd end up back at her place and the night would just... take off. A complete blur of hot, sweaty, feverish, delirious, fumbling passion. You'd do things to each other... you'd do things to her, she'd do things to you... things that you're not even sure have names, that you're pretty sure are illegal almost anywhere. Even her kinks have kinks --- and after one of these nights, you'd realize that you yourself had a lot more kinks than you. And it wasn't just physical, it was --- cerebral. Ethereal. Transcendent. But it would all whiz by in a blur, and by morning you'd find yourself lightheaded, a bit confused, and stumbling homeward to your regular gal.
Over the next few days and weeks you'd find yourself occasionally drifting away, thinking about her. Haskell. You'd be there, banging away at your regular girl, and find yourself thinking "you know, if I was with Haskell, I'd be doing this completely differently." You'd think "I could be doing so much bigger and better stuff with Haskell." Now, your regular girl, she's not as exotic as Haskell. Pretty, maybe, if you're lucky. (Perhaps your regular girlfriend's name is Python. ;-) But not nearly as --- weird. Wild. Cool. Exciting. Don't get me wrong --- your girl, she's wonderful. You've got a wonderful relationship. She's --- comfortable. You can bang away at her all day and night. She's accommodating. Easy going. You work well together. But --- confidentially --- she's, well, maybe just a little bit boring. You'd catch yourself thinking these things, and the guilty pangs would get to you... You'd quash the thoughts, buckle down, and get back to banging away. Comfortable... there's a lot to be said for that, ya know? Comfortable... just keep telling yourself that.
Months would go by. Late some night you'd find yourself out, disreputable places again. Maybe that hacker bar, LtU. Somebody'd slip you an URL for some renegade paper, you know, one of *those* papers. You'd run into Haskell again. And the whole thing starts over.
Eventually, you're going to get the ultimatum. Haskell's ultimately just like any other girl on some level; she needs commitment. Eventually, after one night of wild, feverish, kinky, abstract passion, she's going to say to you: "All these times, and you don't understand me at all! You know, you're going to have to get serious, mister! I've got needs, too. You're going to have to get serious about my monads, or that's the last time you're going to play with them! Got it?"
...and then, you've got to make The Choice.
Chances are, you're going to go back to your regular gal. Haskell's just too much for any one man, probably. She leaves a trail of broken, brainy, embittered PhDs and former programmers behind her. She ruins you for the RealWorld. You can ride a while, but you probably can't go the distance with her. Go back to your regular gal and try not to think too much about what you've seen. Done. Felt. Thought.
Maybe you can salvage a little happiness; but it'll be hard. After all... you've tasted Haskell.
>>27 Oh, knock it off. That isn't even good pasta, it's just a pointless monologue written by somebody whose mind was blown to learn that not all languages were Java or Python.